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Old 12-04-2012, 06:16 AM   #31
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I'm always amazed by the rounds people give to Marquez - I'd love to know how people score rounds. If Pacquiao goes forward, throws 2 punches, 1 connects and 1 kind of but MArquez counters with a good punch Marquez will be seen to have won that duel by some. Why? Because he countered an open Manny - this to me is crazy - I don't know if it's because Marquez is the underdog so the anti-Pacquiao sentiment or whether it's because people like to pretend they understand the purist side of the sweet science so go for the "Chess player" rather than the brawler.

I've scored all 3 fights a number of times...the only fight my scoring is tough on is fight 3.

Fight 1: I scored this recently so it's clearer in my head. Same score again - 113-112 Pacquiao - basically as judge #1 should have scored it. Round 1 (obviously) and Round 2 were Pacquiao's. Marquez took the next 4 rounds, Pacquiao got round 7, he was busier and connected more - Marquez took 8 and Pacquiao came back in 9 and 10, no doubt. Marquez took the last 2 rounds...113-112. I could understand it given the other way by maybe a point! but when people say Marquez won it easily I have to laugh, people are scoring out of hate or boxing snobbery.

Fight 2: Can't recall round by round but scored it 114-113 to Pacquiao

Fight 3: This fight was the one Marquez had a real complaint - he alludes to that himself. He says the 3rd fight was the one that outraged him...in other words the first 2 fights he was crying for the sake of crying. As Roach said "Those fights were so close that if we had lost by a point, we wouldn't cry like Marquez cries"...but fight 3 he had a case - I scored it a draw watching live, and then scored it 115-113 to Marquez - 1 or 2 rounds though are very very tough to score...Marquez also gave away round 12, that cost him and that sums him up - back up back up, don't make the fight and then wonder why judges don't favour you?

In my eyes, Pacquiao won 2, Marquez won 1 and I think most unbiased people will score it similarly
So based on your cards, you scored the trilogy, in rounds, 20-16 JMM?

Which is what this post is about, as we've gone over and over the differing opinions of what personal individual scores were for each fight numerous times.
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Old 12-04-2012, 06:22 AM   #32
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So based on your cards, you scored the trilogy, in rounds, 20-16 JMM?

Which is what this post is about, as we've gone over and over the differing opinions of what personal individual scores were for each fight numerous times.
Well I'm new to this forum so thought I'd get my opinion across about how I scored the fight

In terms of individual rounds then yes you're right. Apologies for not expressing that.

Worth noting that Marquez was lucky the referee came to his rescue in the 2nd fight or he would have fallen again, he looks capable of falling but he's never come close to rocking Pacquio.

But yes, in rounds where Marquez managed to stay on his feet, he won most of them
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Well I'm new to this forum so thought I'd get my opinion across about how I scored the fight

In terms of individual rounds then yes you're right. Apologies for not expressing that.

Worth noting that Marquez was lucky the referee came to his rescue in the 2nd fight or he would have fallen again, he looks capable of falling but he's never come close to rocking Pacquio.

But yes, in rounds where Marquez managed to stay on his feet, he won most of them


No need to apologise, I should have seen your join date and known that you haven't been involved in the numerous discussions. The date someone joins a forum has no bearings on their boxing knowledge though, so certainly no hard feelings...
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Old 12-04-2012, 08:40 AM   #34
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I'm always amazed by the rounds people give to Marquez - I'd love to know how people score rounds. If Pacquiao goes forward, throws 2 punches, 1 connects and 1 kind of but MArquez counters with a good punch Marquez will be seen to have won that duel by some. Why? Because he countered an open Manny - this to me is crazy - I don't know if it's because Marquez is the underdog so the anti-Pacquiao sentiment or whether it's because people like to pretend they understand the purist side of the sweet science so go for the "Chess player" rather than the brawler.

I've scored all 3 fights a number of times...the only fight my scoring is tough on is fight 3.

Fight 1: I scored this recently so it's clearer in my head. Same score again - 113-112 Pacquiao - basically as judge #1 should have scored it. Round 1 (obviously) and Round 2 were Pacquiao's. Marquez took the next 4 rounds, Pacquiao got round 7, he was busier and connected more - Marquez took 8 and Pacquiao came back in 9 and 10, no doubt. Marquez took the last 2 rounds...113-112. I could understand it given the other way by maybe a point! but when people say Marquez won it easily I have to laugh, people are scoring out of hate or boxing snobbery.

Fight 2: Can't recall round by round but scored it 114-113 to Pacquiao

Fight 3: This fight was the one Marquez had a real complaint - he alludes to that himself. He says the 3rd fight was the one that outraged him...in other words the first 2 fights he was crying for the sake of crying. As Roach said "Those fights were so close that if we had lost by a point, we wouldn't cry like Marquez cries"...but fight 3 he had a case - I scored it a draw watching live, and then scored it 115-113 to Marquez - 1 or 2 rounds though are very very tough to score...Marquez also gave away round 12, that cost him and that sums him up - back up back up, don't make the fight and then wonder why judges don't favour you?

In my eyes, Pacquiao won 2, Marquez won 1 and I think most unbiased people will score it similarly

Aggression counts, if you want to back pedal constantly and just wait for your opponent making mistakes and risking nothing yourself in taking the fight to your opponent, then you better win it fairly clearly...Marquez does not do that often enough.
Nice post.

I had the first fight 9 rounds to 3 for Marquez
2nd fight a draw, with Pac winning by a point
3rd fight 7-5 CLEARLY for Marquez
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Old 12-04-2012, 10:35 AM   #35
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all 3 razor close but after 3 viewings I have all 3 to jmm.

Jmm fought best in the first fight though he really schooled pac that night

Pac fought best in the second and had some success in timing Juan and outboxing him.

The third saw both slightly past best fighting at a slower tempo and again it could have gone either way.

One of the atg trilogies. Can't wait for number 4.
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Old 12-04-2012, 11:40 AM   #36
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I've got it 36-0 for Marquez
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Old 12-04-2012, 12:24 PM   #37
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I have Pacman winning the first by a point, So a draw or Juan win isn't crazy
The second Juan winning 8-4, 7-5 draw isn't crazy but I think Pacman win is slight push
The third was a clear Juan win, no other choice
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Old 12-04-2012, 12:29 PM   #38
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Old 12-04-2012, 12:48 PM   #39
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knocking down an opponent is as important as winning a round. Each gives you one point over you opponent.

I have it 19-17 for Marquez in rounds.

and 4-0 for Pac in knockdowns.

Head to head, Pac edges out Marquez, even if you look at all 3 fights as if they were a single one (which is a bit stupid imo)
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Nice post.

I had the first fight 9 rounds to 3 for Marquez
2nd fight a draw, with Pac winning by a point
3rd fight 7-5 CLEARLY for Marquez
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23 to 13 for....

Juan Manuel Marquezzzzzzzzzz!


9+6+7 = 22 not 23

3+6+5 = 14 not 13

to your credibility
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Old 12-04-2012, 01:41 PM   #41
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I've got it 36-0 for Marquez
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Old 12-04-2012, 01:45 PM   #42
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You're biased.

Says the biggest, most obsessive Pac**** on the forum
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I think I have it 19-17 - JMM
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Are you also counting the rounds PAC took off? Because I don't count those
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I'm always amazed by the rounds people give to Marquez - I'd love to know how people score rounds. If Pacquiao goes forward, throws 2 punches, 1 connects and 1 kind of but MArquez counters with a good punch Marquez will be seen to have won that duel by some. Why? Because he countered an open Manny - this to me is crazy - I don't know if it's because Marquez is the underdog so the anti-Pacquiao sentiment or whether it's because people like to pretend they understand the purist side of the sweet science so go for the "Chess player" rather than the brawler.

I've scored all 3 fights a number of times...the only fight my scoring is tough on is fight 3.

Fight 1: I scored this recently so it's clearer in my head. Same score again - 113-112 Pacquiao - basically as judge #1 should have scored it. Round 1 (obviously) and Round 2 were Pacquiao's. Marquez took the next 4 rounds, Pacquiao got round 7, he was busier and connected more - Marquez took 8 and Pacquiao came back in 9 and 10, no doubt. Marquez took the last 2 rounds...113-112. I could understand it given the other way by maybe a point! but when people say Marquez won it easily I have to laugh, people are scoring out of hate or boxing snobbery.

Fight 2: Can't recall round by round but scored it 114-113 to Pacquiao

Fight 3: This fight was the one Marquez had a real complaint - he alludes to that himself. He says the 3rd fight was the one that outraged him...in other words the first 2 fights he was crying for the sake of crying. As Roach said "Those fights were so close that if we had lost by a point, we wouldn't cry like Marquez cries"...but fight 3 he had a case - I scored it a draw watching live, and then scored it 115-113 to Marquez - 1 or 2 rounds though are very very tough to score...Marquez also gave away round 12, that cost him and that sums him up - back up back up, don't make the fight and then wonder why judges don't favour you?

In my eyes, Pacquiao won 2, Marquez won 1 and I think most unbiased people will score it similarly

Aggression counts, if you want to back pedal constantly and just wait for your opponent making mistakes and risking nothing yourself in taking the fight to your opponent, then you better win it fairly clearly...Marquez does not do that often enough.
Good post, my exact sentiments and feelings toward the trilogy, alot of fans are butthurt over Pac getting the razor thin decisions and want to turn it into a robbery which is just *******s.
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