Who was the best fighter to never beat a top 10 contender?

TBooze · 12-04-2012, 03:13 PM

We often get the threads about who was the best not to win/challenge for a 'World title'. And so often (normally down in part to me), we just end up debating as to what qualifies as a 'world title'. So I thought I would put a slight spin on an interesting idea; so...

Who was the best fighter to never beat a top 10 contender (or champion)?

If we use 'The Ring' as a way of clarifing who's or what 'top 10' means; who is the best fighter to not beat a top 10 contender? This would include fighters who got a top 10 rating, without winning a fight against one of their peers.

The only exception I would ask, is not to include fighters who were sadly taken from us 'too early'. 'Too early' would be a fighter who had their last fight under the age 30, with less than 40 pro fights to their name.

Low blow · 12-04-2012, 04:30 PM

Pretty tough question for me and probably most people.

Edwin Valero maybe unless demarco was top 10

PowerPuncher · 12-04-2012, 05:12 PM

Bobby Vanzie was as good as Hatton or Witter and looked like he may win a world title, got polaxed by Romanov before being robbed twice against Earl in fights he dominated for his British title. Vanzie went 1-1 with Witter in the amateurs, they were rivals both from Bradford, their fathers didn't like each other either

Romanov might fall in that bracket too, thought he beat Earl too after being inactive, he was world class then disapeared

dyna · 12-04-2012, 05:48 PM

Julio Cesar Chavez

lufcrazy · 12-04-2012, 05:50 PM

Spencer Oliver was pretty good.

A current one is Darren barker.

Chisora was robbed v helenius but he has respect as a top fighter.

Can't remember if Guinn ever beat anyone but he ranked pretty high.

Hands of Iron · 12-04-2012, 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by dyna

Julio Cesar Chavez

LittleRed · 12-04-2012, 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by dyna

Julio Cesar Chavez

I know dyna is joking but it always struck me that Chavez is the avatar for 'great guy who beat a bunch of bums'. His contemporary, Pernell Whitaker, did not beat any more top guys than Chavez and fought several bums himself but no one ever looks at Whitaker and says "He fought a 3-6 guy in the middle of his title reign, he only beat bums.'

NoNeck · 12-04-2012, 06:02 PM

Oba Carr?

edit: Yori Boy was top ten when Carr beat him.

doug.ie · 12-04-2012, 06:16 PM

just of the top of my head i want to say hugh russell

red cobra · 12-04-2012, 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by LittleRed

I know dyna is joking but it always struck me that Chavez is the avatar for 'great guy who beat a bunch of bums'. His contemporary, Pernell Whitaker, did not beat any more top guys than Chavez and fought several bums himself but no one ever looks at Whitaker and says "He fought a 3-6 guy in the middle of his title reign, he only beat bums.'

That was what got Greg Haugen in so much trouble, alleging that.

TBooze · 12-04-2012, 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by red cobra

That was what got Greg Haugen in so much trouble, alleging that.

To be fair he corrected himself post fight... "They were 'tough' Mexican taxi drivers!"

TBooze · 12-04-2012, 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by lufcrazy

Spencer Oliver was pretty good.

Chisora was robbed v helenius but he has respect as a top fighter.

Both had their last fight under the age 30, with less than 40 fights.

doug.ie · 12-04-2012, 07:01 PM

sorry...i didnt read the last part ...40 fights bit

Senor Pepe' · 12-04-2012, 07:07 PM

Willie 'The Cannon' Shannon

Walter 'E Junior' Moore

Roy 'Tiger' Williams

Alfredo Evangelista

Eddie 'The Animal' Lopez

Boilermaker · 12-04-2012, 07:09 PM

Does Shane Knox qualify.

He had world class skills and was undefeated, but seemed to have simply lost interest and retired early, before he had beaten a top 10 opponent.

12-04-2012, 03:13 PM	#1
TBooze Champion East Side Guru Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: South of London Posts: 9,794 vCash: 0	Who was the best fighter to never beat a top 10 contender? We often get the threads about who was the best not to win/challenge for a 'World title'. And so often (normally down in part to me), we just end up debating as to what qualifies as a 'world title'. So I thought I would put a slight spin on an interesting idea; so... Who was the best fighter to never beat a top 10 contender (or champion)? If we use 'The Ring' as a way of clarifing who's or what 'top 10' means; who is the best fighter to not beat a top 10 contender? This would include fighters who got a top 10 rating, without winning a fight against one of their peers. The only exception I would ask, is not to include fighters who were sadly taken from us 'too early'. 'Too early' would be a fighter who had their last fight under the age 30, with less than 40 pro fights to their name. Last edited by TBooze; 12-04-2012 at 06:48 PM.
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Low blow Journeyman ESB Jr Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Country Clubs Posts: 170 vCash: 1032	Re: Who was the best fighter to never beat a top 10 contender? Pretty tough question for me and probably most people. Edwin Valero maybe unless demarco was top 10
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PowerPuncher ESB Junkie East Side VIP Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 30,743 vCash: 1000	Re: Who was the best fighter to never beat a top 10 contender? Bobby Vanzie was as good as Hatton or Witter and looked like he may win a world title, got polaxed by Romanov before being robbed twice against Earl in fights he dominated for his British title. Vanzie went 1-1 with Witter in the amateurs, they were rivals both from Bradford, their fathers didn't like each other either Romanov might fall in that bracket too, thought he beat Earl too after being inactive, he was world class then disapeared
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dyna Belt holder ESB Addict Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 4,586 vCash: 1551	Re: Who was the best fighter to never beat a top 10 contender? Julio Cesar Chavez
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lufcrazy requiescat in pace East Side VIP Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: England, Up North Posts: 22,722 vCash: 330	Re: Who was the best fighter to never beat a top 10 contender? Spencer Oliver was pretty good. A current one is Darren barker. Chisora was robbed v helenius but he has respect as a top fighter. Can't remember if Guinn ever beat anyone but he ranked pretty high.
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NoNeck Pugilist Specialist ESB Addict Join Date: Apr 2012 Posts: 1,552 vCash: 500	Re: Who was the best fighter to never beat a top 10 contender? Oba Carr? edit: Yori Boy was top ten when Carr beat him.
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doug.ie broadcasting from a shed East Side Guru Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: sligo, ireland Posts: 9,606 vCash: 75	Re: Who was the best fighter to never beat a top 10 contender? just of the top of my head i want to say hugh russell
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doug.ie broadcasting from a shed East Side Guru Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: sligo, ireland Posts: 9,606 vCash: 75	Re: Who was the best fighter to never beat a top 10 contender? sorry...i didnt read the last part ...40 fights bit
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Senor Pepe' Belt holder ESB Addict Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 4,734 vCash: 500	Re: Who was the best fighter to never beat a top 10 contender? Willie 'The Cannon' Shannon Walter 'E Junior' Moore Roy 'Tiger' Williams Alfredo Evangelista Eddie 'The Animal' Lopez
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Boilermaker Belt holder ESB Addict Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 3,772 vCash: 685	Re: Who was the best fighter to never beat a top 10 contender? Does Shane Knox qualify. He had world class skills and was undefeated, but seemed to have simply lost interest and retired early, before he had beaten a top 10 opponent.
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