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Old 12-05-2012, 04:19 AM   #16
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Sometimes, some fighters just do a persons head in SO much they cant help themselves but hate. For a number of reasons in no particular order...

A)personality
B)nationality
c)hype
d)popularity

Some quick examples,
personality? Look no further than degale. Won olympic gold, made his country proud but cos he came across as a **** to Groves? More hate him than like him nowadays.

Nationality? Look no further than Ricky Burns. One of boxings good guys, won his title the hard way, defends against Ring top 10 fighters, but he almost always gets near 100 post threads with the majority here mocking him, & only a few brave souls daring to stand up for him. You can throw Cleverly into that mix too, its no coincidence that two of the most hated fighters here dont come from the biggest country in the UK. Go figure.

hype? Look no further than Ricky Hatton from the past, & nowadays Kell Brook. Once SKY get behind a fighter? They get BEHIND a fighter. They shower them with so much praise, tell so much bare faced lies & basically insult peoples intelligence with the drivel they spout about the greatness of the fighter they are backing, that people want to see these fighters fail & get derailed, & start hating on the fighter, instead of hating on the ones behind all the bull****, the ones creating the hype that can turn a fighter into a egomaniac.

popularity? Hype builds popularity, & when someone dislikes a hyped fighter cos they dont think he deserves it? The tipping point is when the hyped fighter starts pulling big crowds, the hater sees these big crowds for a fighter he doesnt like, & its red mist time, & all hope is lost as the hater downward spirals into a life of snarling at the TV screen & typing on forums(or shaky live feed) with angry fingers & steam coming out of their ears, as the crowd belt out anthems in adoration of their new boxing hero in the background!

am I defending haters? No. However, I can understand why they exist.
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A)personality
B)nationality
c)hype
d)popularity

true. but i hate soccer now because of the robbery of the soccer world cup of the aussies against the eventual winners in about 2006. **** game. next game we would have beaten england and advanced to the final.

we were robbed. **** decision. still no video refs. absolutely a rigged betting sport.
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Old 12-05-2012, 04:22 AM   #17
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Its never to do with nationality, I couldn't give a toss what country a fighters from, it comes down to 2 things.

Personality and a fighters boxing style.
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Old 12-05-2012, 06:00 AM   #18
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Its never to do with nationality, I couldn't give a toss what country a fighters from, it comes down to 2 things.

Personality and a fighters boxing style.
I agree Bill.

I couldn't really care less where a boxer comes from.

The only time nationality plays a part for me is one it is on of our guys fighting an international fighter.

Unless the aforementioned international fighter is one of my favourites I will generally root for our guy.

However, it doesn't mean I will start saying the 'other guy' is ****e or blindly praise our man regardless of the facts.

At the end of the day there is nothing wrong with criticising fighters, if they perform poorly or do something wrong it is to be expected.

There are boxers who have been given opportunities they perhaps didn't deserve and there are also boxers who receive a huge amount of praise and recognition where it is not always warranted.

My problem though is when two fighters are fighting, and both fighters have their merits, boh have ability and are deserving of praise.

Why hate on the other one because he is simply fighting your man?

By all means think your guy is better, but don't start inventing **** and suggesting the chap is rubbish when he clearly isn't.
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Old 12-05-2012, 06:07 AM   #19
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I agree Bill.

I couldn't really care less where a boxer comes from.

The only time nationality plays a part for me is one it is on of our guys fighting an international fighter.

Unless the aforementioned international fighter is one of my favourites I will generally root for our guy.

However, it doesn't mean I will start saying the 'other guy' is ****e or blindly praise our man regardless of the facts.

At the end of the day there is nothing wrong with criticising fighters, if they perform poorly or do something wrong it is to be expected.

There are boxers who have been given opportunities they perhaps didn't deserve and there are also boxers who receive a huge amount of praise and recognition where it is not always warranted.

My problem though is when two fighters are fighting, and both fighters have their merits, boh have ability and are deserving of praise.

Why hate on the other one because he is simply fighting your man?

By all means think your guy is better, but don't start inventing **** and suggesting the chap is rubbish when he clearly isn't.
I know what you mean mate, Brook fans/Khan fans define this, their hatred for the opposing fighter is 99% born out of their love for their own.

They can not make an argument on skill, size, experience or any other rational reasoning other then its my favourite fighter that's why he win.

Pathetic really.
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Old 12-05-2012, 06:08 AM   #20
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I know what you mean mate, Brook fans/Khan fans define this, their hatred for the opposing fighter is 99% born out of their love for their own.

They can not make an argument on skill, size, experience or any other rational reasoning other then its my favourite fighter that's why he win.

Pathetic really.
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Old 12-05-2012, 06:12 AM   #21
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I admit I go over the top sometimes on fighters I dislike or don't rate, but I will give my reasons why.

Khan - Arrogant ******, a bertie big *******s and I hate his style, no substance in his punches just quick flurries and then runs away.

Calzaghe - Horrible style, slappy punches and awful technique, very difficult fighter to beat but not my cup of tea, his showboating was also cringeworthy.

Witter - Nuff said.
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Old 12-05-2012, 07:22 AM   #22
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I always support the British boxers in general as a matter of course, unless there is something about them I genuinely dislike in terms of persona. To be honest I never liked Naseem Hamed, always thought he was a ****head and loved it when Barrera humbled him. I don't have any particular problem with Khan or Degale other than they sometimes shout their mouth off without thinking but no more than most other boxers.

I think with Hatton, a lot of the supposed boxing fans on ESB probably got in to boxing as a result of him and followed him to the end, when he got KO'd by Pac and Mayweather and and those fans learned a little more about the sport they turned on him probably as much from their own embarrassment as his.

Boxing is a sport though, people take personalities a bit too far if you ask me, it's not like I can't enjoy watching Ronaldo play football despite thinking he is a horrendous excuse for a man. Similarly I enjoyed watching Prince Naseem despite not really having much respect for him as a person. It's difficult in the UK to be successful and be popular, the country loves an underdog, as soon as someone from these shores is expected to win fights they suddenly become very unpopular, it's a little bit strange.
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Old 12-05-2012, 03:07 PM   #23
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Heard a lot of booing for Glen Johnson against Clinton Woods.How can any real fan boo him??
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I think this is a really good forum, the ocassional bellend for sure, but the level of knowledge is fantastic and at times it can be so funny.

My thread is aimed at a minority to be honest, we all know who they are.

Fighters at the moment that seem to have unnecessary hatred are Price, Fury, Frampton, Quigg, Hatton and Calzaghe (?!).

Have favourites by all means, I know I do, but why say the other guy is ****e when he clearly isn't?!
can i say i hate Flintoff...... he is **** .
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can i say i hate Flintoff...... he is **** .
I agree with you that he is not the best I have ever seen!

But..................

Firstly he has achieved far more than I and most on this forum will ever do, and secondly I just don't get what there is to 'hate' about the bloke?

He certainly comes across as a thoroughly decent and nice bloke and I respect him for what he has tried to do.

Hate is a funny word really, used far to often on this site.

I work with some truly sick and depraved individuals who have done the most horrific things to other people; now if Freddie is to be hated what does it leave for people like that?!
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Old 12-05-2012, 07:59 PM   #26
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Heard a lot of booing for Glen Johnson against Clinton Woods.How can any real fan boo him??
I went to watch Clinton a lot and always enjoyed seeing him fight; a lot of the crowd at the bigger events, though, were Wednesday yobs who didn't know **** from elbow. Bit like Hatton really with all the City ****ers, just on a lesser scale. Johnson wasn't the only one; I can remember JC Gonzalez, god bless him, being on the end of some horrible racist abuse from my area of the crowd at the Hallam FM area both times.

A small gang of BNP lads behind me and my two mates were calling him all sorts of ****. I'd already turned around twice to warn them to pack it in sharpish, and my mate, who's pretty handy, was on the verge of cracking one of them. Me and the other mate were about to try and stop him, but another bloke a couple of seats along who'd been quiet throughout - and was about 7 foot tall into the bargain - leaned over and sort of calmly said if they weren't quiet for the rest of the fight, they'd -and I quote - ''need a ****ing air crash investigation team to put them all back into one piece''.

And they listened, funnily enough. Horrible *******s. Like you alluded to, it's bad enough that it happens at all, but to road warriors like Johnson and Gonzalez?

I'm generally very critical of modern boxing, but it's more to do with everything but the fighters themselves tbh: politics, the declining talent pool, the devolution of skill, the hyperbolic attitude and general ineptitude of the media etc. But very rarely the fighters themselves. There are the *****s like Mayweather who get my back up every now and again, but I think I'm fair overall.

I watch, enjoy and play a lot of sport, but I'm quite cynical in that I think it brings out the nasty, stupid and ****tish side of people more often than it actually engenders it's own supposed values and spirit, and it thoroughly overestimates it's own importance in society. The gits who waffle on about sport's ability to dismantle barriers, leave a legacy and heal broken society blah blah are nearly as irritating as the reactionary keyboard warrior types that are the subject of this thread imo.

Take the Commonwealth Games as an example. I can remember all the hoopla in the UK over India hosting the Commonwealths back in 2010. Having been to New Delhi since, trust me, there's no lasting legacy or anything of the kind, despite what BBC Sport would have you believe. Life there for 90% of joe public is just as desperate and tough as it was before.
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