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Old 12-05-2012, 08:50 AM   #16
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how did tim win then?
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Old 12-05-2012, 09:04 AM   #17
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Marquez's primary strategy will probably be to cruelly step on Pacquiao's foot without getting caught, as that was the only thing that gave him success in the last fight.
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Old 12-05-2012, 12:44 PM   #18
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I think this should go just as the last 3 fights, Pacquiao cant be more aggressive, he has tried but JMM counters him and if he decideds to box with JMM he will lose because JMM is the better boxer. JMM cannot be aggressive because that plays right into Pacquiaos hands and he will get KD, Pac is the stronger and faster fighter so JMM has to box and beat him with his ring IQ
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Old 12-05-2012, 03:01 PM   #19
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What is with the myth Manny can magically walk through his punches, I don't understand. Clearly that is not the case.
100% Agree.

Besides the Larios fight round 3 Marquez has consistently stunned Pac unlike the other fights.

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Old 12-05-2012, 03:14 PM   #20
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Pacquaio needs to simply box, if you don't give a counter puncher anything to counter really they get frustrated and have to lead, thats when Manny would have his chances, and Manny is popular enough to win any boring snoozer round. If pacquaio plans to be be more aggresive he's playing right to JMM hands, JMM hurt Manny badly in the tenth round in their last fight, he may get put on his ass this time if he lunges in foolishly with his chin in the air...........


JMM has the book, he just needs to turn it up after 9, when Manny has started to fade lately
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Old 12-05-2012, 03:31 PM   #21
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What is with the myth Manny can magically walk through his punches, I don't understand. Clearly that is not the case.
Did you see the Cotto fight?


He doesn't do it anymore because he's lost the ferocity.. but back in day he could walk through shots to deliver his own.
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Old 12-05-2012, 03:36 PM   #22
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Did you see the Cotto fight?


He doesn't do it anymore because he's lost the ferocity.. but back in day he could walk through shots to deliver his own.
Cotto has no ****ing power and no right hand, lil Floyd walked thorugh his shots at 154, Cotto was always a accumulation puncher when he was getting KO's @140



Pacquiao don't like that overhand right that JMM seemingly has no problems finding
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Old 12-05-2012, 03:49 PM   #23
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100% Agree.

Besides the Linares fight round 3 Marquez has consistently stunned Pac unlike the other fights.
Linares? You mean round 2 of the rematch? Manny was definitely hurt at some point in the 1st fight as well. It's not often and it's not severe but it happens. The third fight the punches made him hesitate, he had Marquez's respect after having those 2 fights prior.

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Did you see the Cotto fight?


He doesn't do it anymore because he's lost the ferocity.. but back in day he could walk through shots to deliver his own.
He beat Cotto with his footwork and set-up of left leads and right-hook counters. He can take a punch and exchange, but Marquez often hits him at angles that knock him off balance and don't allow him to pivot into anything else.

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Cotto has no ****ing power and no right hand, lil Floyd walked thorugh his shots at 154, Cotto was always a accumulation puncher when he was getting KO's @140



Pacquiao don't like that overhand right that JMM seemingly has no problems finding
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Old 12-05-2012, 04:04 PM   #24
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Linares? You mean round 2 of the rematch? Manny was definitely hurt at some point in the 1st fight as well. It's not often and it's not severe but it happens. The third fight the punches made him hesitate, he had Marquez's respect after having those 2 fights prior.



He beat Cotto with his footwork and set-up of left leads and right-hook counters. He can take a punch and exchange, but Marquez often hits him at angles that knock him off balance and don't allow him to pivot into anything else.

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There are many moments Cotto fight where Manny takes flushshots and delivers right back - oftentimes in mid-combination ; his sheer aggression / will gets him through those moments. He doesn't have that mentality anymore.


In the case of JMM , your right he often hits Manny and doesnt leave himself open to be hit back, but this isn't the case when they get into exchanges. That's when Manny really needs to let his hands go. He also needs to close off the distance and not be overly concerned with being countered - stay right in JMM's face and make him fight. When JMM is cornered he goes to war, that's always been his habit.

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Old 12-05-2012, 04:12 PM   #25
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Marquez can read Pacquiao like we read the daily newspaper.

The question for me here is has Marquez bulked up a little too much to the extent it could adversely affect his speed?

I dont think so.

It looks like Nacho and Marquez are planning on inflicting more damage on Pacquiao via athleticism and strength ................. ie - no change in strategy but emphasis on countering with more power than before. (a lot of pre-fight footage has been targeting "explosiveness" IMO)

My money is on Marquez busting Manny up more than their previous fights and getting a win this time.

Each fight has been close and of course Manny has dynamite in his fists so you can never write him off, but I will be very surprised to see any major change in tactics from Team Pacquiao.
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Old 12-05-2012, 04:13 PM   #26
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My opinion is different or like the french would say au contraire, Pacquiao needs to be xplosiv from start to finish cause that is the only way he can have an edge on rounds and erase doubt in close rounds that otherwise would go to JMM this time b'cause they went to Pac in the last two rematches... Manny needs to discharge all that he has physically since JMM is such a masterful strategic fighter whose tank never goes totally empty, meaning that JMM can always find a way to make it look close enough and still fight on and on and on. The key for Pacquiao is to make it an intense pace to put JMM in trouble to sustain it.
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Old 12-05-2012, 04:40 PM   #27
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I meant Larios not Linares my mistake
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Old 12-05-2012, 05:37 PM   #28
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Pacquiao, in their third fight he outboxed Marquez the first 4 rd's playing at Juan's own game, countering. Although by the 5th Marquez showed how intelligent he was by changing up his approach and getting off first with quick power shots, likely this tactic was to get manny in a shell, which worked, pacquiao fell into a "hands-up" instead of an active "move your head and counter" plan that was working for him earlier and marquez from there was allowed time to set up some nice combo's and then baited Pacquiao into a more aggressive role.

Smart man that Marquez.

If Marquez is to win just do what he normally does times two, turn into it a chess match, start fighting earlier and fight a little harder, try not to take rounds off, as difficult as it may be at his age, he needs to throw a little more.
Anyway, I'm going for Pacquiao to win, in the third fight he showed good improvement since their second fight, i think he'll win a UD now that Juan is even older
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Old 12-05-2012, 05:51 PM   #29
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Quickie--

Jmm-don't lead, maintain distance and stick to your bread and butter. Really, jmms success is predicated on making Pac overcommit.

Pac- don't feel obligated to make it "entertaining"....stay the aggressor, but be more patient. Bang when you have to bang box when you have to box. If there's a lull in the action, don't take the bait.
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Old 12-05-2012, 06:16 PM   #30
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Pacquiao, in their third fight he outboxed Marquez the first 4 rd's playing at Juan's own game, countering. Although by the 5th Marquez showed how intelligent he was by changing up his approach and getting off first with quick power shots, likely this tactic was to get manny in a shell, which worked, pacquiao fell into a "hands-up" instead of an active "move your head and counter" plan that was working for him earlier and marquez from there was allowed time to set up some nice combo's and then baited Pacquiao into a more aggressive role.

Smart man that Marquez.

If Marquez is to win just do what he normally does times two, turn into it a chess match, start fighting earlier and fight a little harder, try not to take rounds off, as difficult as it may be at his age, he needs to throw a little more.
Anyway, I'm going for Pacquiao to win, in the third fight he showed good improvement since their second fight, i think he'll win a UD now that Juan is even older

Pacquiao did not sweep the first 4 rounds, no freaking way. People who score on "aggressiveness" are WRONG. Its EFFECTIVE Aggression. Pacquiao's aggression clearly was not effective so thats not it.
Clean punching? Clearly Marquez.
Ring Generalship? Marquez made Pacquiao fight his fight
Defense? Both had decent defense in the fight kept output down for both fighters.
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