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Old 12-05-2012, 05:36 PM   #181
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We'll see how good he is in a few years after he ducks Pulev , Arroela and Fury into retirement. I know for certin he will.

The Rock doesn't beat a lot big HWs, Wlad is an exception.
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Old 12-05-2012, 06:14 PM   #182
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Among the small handful of things that are truly and vastly overrated on this forum... Marciano's power and the fragility of Waldo's chin.
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Old 12-05-2012, 06:34 PM   #183
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Well, this thread has taken a massive plunge. Good job guys.
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Old 12-05-2012, 07:27 PM   #184
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I will just shut up now!
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Old 12-05-2012, 08:53 PM   #185
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Man , another terribly stupid thread.
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Old 12-05-2012, 11:12 PM   #186
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Seamus,

Marciano's power is not overrated. The pre 1954 Rocky Marciano was a very legitimate one punch knockout artist. Say what you want about his power post 1953 when he changed his style. You overrate Dempsey's power because it took him 77 power punches to knockout a few hill billy farmers.

I agree with you about Vlad's chin.
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Old 12-06-2012, 12:25 AM   #187
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Marciano's power is not overrated. The pre 1954 Rocky Marciano was a very legitimate one punch knockout artist. Say what you want about his power post 1953 when he changed his style. You overrate Dempsey's power because it took him 77 power punches to knockout a few hill billy farmers.

I agree with you about Vlad's chin.
Pre-1954 he only fought a handful of decent fighters. He beat Layne to a pulp before dispatching him. Lastarza took tons of shots over two fights and once only stopped late in the second after being battered and bruised by hundreds of punches. Louis was a complete mummy, a walking ghost. Walcott bounced off the ropes carrying his momentum into Marciano's right.

I'm not saying he didn't have power, but he was more an attrition and volume guy than he was some one shot wonder. And I love the bogus PSI test from the Air Force or whoever supposedly sanctioned those garbage stats. What a load of promoter bullshit.

Marciano's most remarkable ability was not his power. It was his stamina and output, his relentless, dogged fighting spirit. Unfortunately, he was woefully ill-equipped physically, a fact that greatly bothers the fragile Italian-American psyche and requires more over-compensation than can be provided by a parking lot full of Iroc's. Thus, we get these bullshit estimations of Marciano's Herculean power, the wild exaggerations and the assertions that he can beat men heavier by 60 pounds of muscle, 7 inches taller and 14 inches longer in reach, guys who have faced a non-stop succession of full-sized modern heavies with the sort of blistering power that has become the norm in the division.
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Old 12-06-2012, 12:58 AM   #188
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Among the small handful of things that are truly and vastly overrated on this forum... Marciano's power and the fragility of Waldo's chin.
The latter more than the former.

It's never been a matter of Wlad's chin as much as his mental toughness when it comes to taking punches.
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Old 12-06-2012, 02:53 AM   #189
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I don't think Marciano ever gets the chance to consistently work inside here. The Ukrainian's pulverizing jab and adept foot movement make it impossible for Marciano to find his rythum.

Wlad on cuts in the 8th round.
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Old 12-06-2012, 03:39 AM   #190
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rocky will have to watch the low blows - his uppercut could be a one punch ender lol.
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Old 12-06-2012, 03:57 AM   #191
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guys who have faced a non-stop succession of full-sized modern heavies with the sort of blistering power that has become the norm in the division.
Blistering power? Where? Since taking the title, Wlad has faced two punchers, Haye & Peter, and neither are genuine knockout artists either. (Sanders if you count the WBO(gus) strap.
Unless of course you mean the murderer's row of Ray Austin, Eddie Chambers, Chris Byrd and Tony Thompson. And the ever-dangerous Mormeck. (Almost forgot about this ATG puncher.)
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Old 12-06-2012, 05:03 AM   #192
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14 pages of people talking about Marciano's stamina and power, but nobody has said that he would simply outbox Klitschko. Nobody talks about his blinding speed, his ability to slip punches, or his nimble footwork. Seems like Rocky's only path to victory rests on his ability to land a bomb and for Klitschko to not be able to take it. But if Rocky's power is overrated, or Klitschko's chin is underrated plan A goes out the window. Is there a plan B or is that his only hope?
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Old 12-06-2012, 06:50 AM   #193
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Muscle and size are not boxing. Once again boxing history is full of big fighters totally destroyed by smaller, better fighters. Walcott did not bounce off the ropes into Rockys right hand. You cannot wish away three beyond brutal ko losses. Great fighters do not lose three times in this manner. Wlad does not have the courage of a great fighter nor does he have the chin.
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Old 12-06-2012, 11:19 AM   #194
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Blistering power? Where? Since taking the title, Wlad has faced two punchers, Haye & Peter, and neither are genuine knockout artists either. (Sanders if you count the WBO(gus) strap.
Unless of course you mean the murderer's row of Ray Austin, Eddie Chambers, Chris Byrd and Tony Thompson. And the ever-dangerous Mormeck. (Almost forgot about this ATG puncher.)
And Peter is more of a clubber than anything. Haye has power, but he's not one punch genuine when it comes to HW (Not even really at CW).
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Old 12-06-2012, 11:44 AM   #195
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Blistering power? Where? Since taking the title, Wlad has faced two punchers, Haye & Peter, and neither are genuine knockout artists either. (Sanders if you count the WBO(gus) strap.
Unless of course you mean the murderer's row of Ray Austin, Eddie Chambers, Chris Byrd and Tony Thompson. And the ever-dangerous Mormeck. (Almost forgot about this ATG puncher.)
Today's heavyweights are bigger and stronger. Bigger and stronger means, on average, harder hitters, stronger operators in the clinch. Is this debatable? Should we abolish weight divisions because the above is not true?

Thompson had very good clout. Brewster could do little else but hit like a tank. Brock had decent power. McCline could punch. Even at 35, Rahman could still punch.

A murderer's row? No. But on average harder hitters than Marciano faced.

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