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Old 12-06-2012, 06:29 AM   #16
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Old 12-06-2012, 07:20 AM   #17
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Old 12-06-2012, 07:27 AM   #18
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Jones didn't duck nobody

You can't duck fighters you would obviously beat easily. Hence Jones ducked nobody
how do you obviously beat someone without fighting them?
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Old 12-06-2012, 07:39 AM   #19
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Chris Eubanks wanted NO part of Jones when they were prime. NONE. he admitted as much himself.

The Benn fight was messed up by Don King wanting a rodiculous 3 fight deal.
Benn himself said "I dont mind being considered 2nd best to Roy" and that Roy "put the fear of God" in him.

The Collins fight was basically signed apparently but Collins collapsed in reaining for his comeback fight,which he was due to have before he fought Roy.


Why is it always assumed that it was Roy that ducked fighters.

No one ever assumes that maybe...just maybe a lot of these guys who were making good money doing their own thing,didnt want to get beat down by Roy and ruin their cash flow.
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Old 12-06-2012, 08:01 AM   #20
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Chris Eubanks wanted NO part of Jones when they were prime. NONE. he admitted as much himself.

The Benn fight was messed up by Don King wanting a rodiculous 3 fight deal.
Benn himself said "I dont mind being considered 2nd best to Roy" and that Roy "put the fear of God" in him.

The Collins fight was basically signed apparently but Collins collapsed in reaining for his comeback fight,which he was due to have before he fought Roy.


Why is it always assumed that it was Roy that ducked fighters.

No one ever assumes that maybe...just maybe a lot of these guys who were making good money doing their own thing,didnt want to get beat down by Roy and ruin their cash flow.
How many more times are we going to have these threads?

Like you say, Eubank has admitted numerous times he didn't chase the big fights.

King always wanted options on fighters. Roy could never have fought Liles or Benn without Don wanting options.

Regarding Julian Jackson, by the time Roy had made a name for himself at 160 after he beat Hop in 93, he was already getting too big for the weight. He was 24 and was boxing between 166-168 after Hop, apart from his fight with Thomas Tate. If he'd have stayed at 160 he could have fought Jackson. But he couldn't make the weight anymore, so he moved up. Roy Snr had held him back when he was younger, so he didn't progress as quick as he should have done. While guys like Toney were fighting Nunn and McCallum, Roy was fighting nobodies in Pensacola.

DM as discussed only last week, didn't want to go to America to fight.

According to Roy, he turned down a $5M offer from HBO.

We also know that Roy sent his advisor Brad Jacobs to meet with HBO representatives, and they couldn't get Peter Kohl (DM's) advisor to sit down and discuss terms.

We also know that HBO wanted to stage a double header to promote the fight and they weren't interested. If you look at DM's resume, it tells you just how bad he wanted Roy.

Regarding Hop, Bernard priced himself out of the rematch. If he'd have accepted 40% (which was more than fair, seeing as Roy had beaten him, and he would have had to have gone down in weight to fight him) the fight would have happened. Why does Roy get the blame for ducking?

Regarding Collins in 1999, HBO didn't want to make the fight. Collins had been inactive and he didn't have a belt. He also wasn't a mandatory, so brought literally nothing to the table. HBO wanted Roy to instead fight Reggie Johnson (Who'd beaten Collins) to unify the 175 division.

That's what he did. He didn't duck Steve, he dismissed him, and there's a big difference between the two.

He and HBO, dismissed Steve for a bigger fight, to unify the titles.

As for Roy's glass jaw, Steve couldn't have found it if he'd have had 4 arms.

Great post mate, got to keep these idiots in check!


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Old 12-06-2012, 08:30 AM   #21
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Julian Jackson
Gerald McClellan
Nigel Benn
Chris Eubanks
Lamar Parks


Lamar Parks for sure
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Old 12-06-2012, 08:44 AM   #22
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Jones never fought a top 3 opponent after Toney. He had 6 fights at 168 after beating him. Of those fights he beat an unranked Thornton, a suspected juiced lightweight in Pazienza, a past it Byrd, a never was in Sosa, a young non-threat in Lucas and a veteran of 16 fights in Brannon.


So the deserving fighters Jones didn't fight is these guys:

Nunn
Benn
Eubank
Collins
Barkley
Cordoba
Littles
Van Horn
Liles
Nardiello
Close
Rocchigianni
Nicotra



That was at SMW. At LHW DM is the frontrunner.
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Old 12-06-2012, 08:59 AM   #23
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Jones never fought a top 3 opponent after Toney. He had 6 fights at 168 after beating him. Of those fights he beat an unranked Thornton, a suspected juiced lightweight in Pazienza, a past it Byrd, a never was in Sosa, a young non-threat in Lucas and a veteran of 16 fights in Brannon.


So the deserving fighters Jones didn't fight is these guys:

Nunn
Benn
Eubank
Collins
Barkley
Cordoba
Littles
Van Horn
Liles
Nardiello
Close
Rocchigianni
Nicotra



That was at SMW. At LHW DM is the frontrunner.

There used to be an old HBO interview before the Bryant Brannon fight, with Roy in the ring, expressing his frustrations that he couldn't get top guys to fight him... Some of the names you listed were mentioned and offered contracts, which HBO backed. Wish the video wasn't removed.

It was not all Roy's fault that some of those fights were not made, and it shows lack of knowledge on the business side of boxing to believe that it is.
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Old 12-06-2012, 09:00 AM   #24
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There used to be an old HBO interview before the Bryant Brannon fight, with Roy in the ring, expressing his frustrations that he couldn't get top guys to fight him... Some of the names you listed were mentioned and offered contracts, which HBO backed. Wish the video wasn't removed.

It was not all Roy's fault that some of those fights were not made, and it shows lack of knowledge on the business side of boxing to believe that it is.
You don't see a pattern?
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Roy in his prime was unbeatable in his era. Y'all must've forgot.
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So that's the reason why fights against Benn and Mcclellan weren't made?

To be fair Jones v Mclellan was gonna be made, Benn was the sacrificial lamb who turned out to be a wolf.
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Lamar Parks for sure
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How many more times are we going to have these threads?

Like you say, Eubank has admitted numerous times he didn't chase the big fights.

King always wanted options on fighters. Roy could never have fought Liles or Benn without Don wanting options.

Regarding Julian Jackson, by the time Roy had made a name for himself at 160 after he beat Hop in 93, he was already getting too big for the weight. He was 24 and was boxing between 166-168 after Hop, apart from his fight with Thomas Tate. If he'd have stayed at 160 he could have fought Jackson. But he couldn't make the weight anymore, so he moved up. Roy Snr had held him back when he was younger, so he didn't progress as quick as he should have done. While huys like Toney were fighting Nunn and McCallum, Roy was fighting nobodies in Pensacola.

DM as discussed only last week, didn't want to go to America to fight.

According to Roy, he turned down a $5M offer from HBO.

We also know that Roy sent his advisor Brad Jacobs to meet with HBO representatives, and they couldn't get Peter Kohl (DM's) advisor to sit down and discuss terms.

We also know that HBO wanted to stage a double header to promote the fight and they weren't interested. If you look at DM's resume, it tells you just how bad he wanted Roy.

Regarding Hop, Bernard priced himself out of the rematch. If he'd have accepted 40% (which was more than fair, seeing as Roy had beaten him, and he would have had to have gone down in weight to fight him) the fight would have happened. Why does Roy get the blame for ducking?

Regarding Collins in 1999, HBO didn't want to make the fight. Collins had been inactive and he didn't have a belt. He also wasn't a mandatory, so brought literally nothing to the table. HBO wanted Roy to instead fight Reggie Johnson (Who'd beaten Collins) to unify the 175 division.

That's what he did. He didn't duck Steve, he dismissed him, and there's a big difference between the two.

He and HBO, dismissed Steve for a bigger fight, to unify the titles.

As for Roy's glass jaw, Steve couldn't have found it if he'd have had 4 arms.

Great post mate, got to keep these idiots in check!


Regards, Loudon.
Another precise beatdown Loudon..

You dismissed most of the rubbish in this thread in a single fact filled post.
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You don't see a pattern?
Not really..

People forget that there was a time when top guys were reluctant to fight Roy, they knew it would most likely be a loss, and would have to be huge money to get them to risk it.
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