Clay vs Frazier FOTC

[BillB]

Originally Posted by TBooze

I thought it was Mikhail Abdul Aziz? But this is a private name, and in public he uses the 'Mike Tyson' character. If he wishes to change that, I would respect that, and duly call him by this. Names are hardly things that it is worth causing offence over. I had no problem with Ali, or Qawi or the Muhammads or Wlad or Slugger O'Toole, for goodness sake.

I think we actually agree more than we disagree. There is nothing wrong with calling Mike Tyson, Aziz. There is also nothing wrong with calling him Tyson.

The same with Clay/Ali.

I refer to him as Ali as often as I do as Clay. There is nothing wrong with either one of them.

[groove]

ali was resting on the ropes like he started doing for the first time v bonavena (never happened in the 60s). frazier fought incredible that nite and so did ali who was out of the ring for 42 months. he was bound to tire in the later rounds and start resting on the ropes so early back after a long lay-off. he didn't need to rest on any ropes in the 60s when his legs were in peak condition.

[mcvey]

Originally Posted by BillB

That's certainly nice of you. Unfortunately, it's not the truth.

Here is a post of yours refereeing to Jersey Joe Walcott as "Mr. Cream".
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Here you are in a thread using the word "Tyson" 31 times. Count 'em.
We all know that Tyson is now Malik Abdul Aziz. Why do you disrespect him?
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I must be the only guy who didn't know Tyson had changed his name. I saw him interviewed the other day,and he was addressed as" Mike", he did not correct the interviewer ,or appear to object.
If I was introduced to him I would ask him what name he preferred to be called by, and refer to him accordingly , how hard is it?



You've trawled all my posts looking for a reference? How sad are you?

I didn't click on you were a troll like Pepe ,[who makes decent posts about anything not related to Ali,].

You unfortunately, never make a post worth shit, or at least I haven't seen them.
Maybe one day you will pleasantly surprise me?

[mcvey]

Originally Posted by salsanchezfan

As would I. Who the fuck cares what someone wants to call themselves?

Only Bill B.

[BillB]

Originally Posted by mcvey

I must be the only guy who didn't know Tyson had changed his name. I saw him interviewed the other day,
and he was addressed as" Mike", he did not appear to object. You've trawled all my posts looking for a reference? How sad are you?

I didn't click on you were a troll like Pepe ,[who makes decent posts about anything not related to Ali,].

You unfortunately, never make a post worth shit, or at least I haven't seen them.
Maybe one day you will pleasantly surprise me?

No I spent about 3 minutes. It wasn't at all hard to find.

Did you also not know that "Mr Cream" preferred to be called Walcott?

[mcvey]

Originally Posted by BillB

No I spent about 3 minutes. It wasn't at all hard to find.

Did you also not know that "Mr Cream" preferred to be called Walcott?

I used it in an entirely different context as you know .You call Ali ,Clay because you have an agenda, that , your posts concerning him make blatantly clear. Why not be up front about it ?
It's called having the courage of your convictions.

[lufcrazy]

I don't see a huge issue. I call him Ali myself but I don't think calling him clay is particularly malicious.

That being said I think he felt humbled after this fight. It showed him to be less than godly.

I'm not sure he ever trained as hard for a fight again.

[LittleRed]

[quote=Webbiano;14340230]

Originally Posted by BillB

Well said Bill. I feel your in the right here (not that it's worth much :P) If he wishes to call Cassius Clay by his real name or by his more common referred to name Muhammad Ali is his choice and the fact Cobra, LittleRed and McVey are getting arsey about it is beyond me. I though you guys where better than that

My most popular post talked about urinating on a video game and included the phrase 'robot sex' unironically you can draw your own conclusions on if I'm better than that.

And I have no problem with someone calling Ali, Clay. I disagreed with BillB's reasons which I found disingenuous at best. I didn't say anything about three thread title, or any other instance of someone calling him by his old name. Its the flimsy justification, not the act.

[mcvey]

[quote=LittleRed;14341293]

Originally Posted by Webbiano

My most popular post talked about urinating on a video game and included the phrase 'robot sex' unironically you can draw your own conclusions on if I'm better than that.

And I have no problem with someone calling Ali, Clay. I disagreed with BillB's reasons which I found disingenuous at best. I didn't say anything about three thread title, or any other instance of someone calling him by his old name. Its the flimsy justification, not the act.

There's another term for disingenuousness, its only 5 letters ,and not so polite.

[Webbiano]

Originally Posted by the cobra

Woah, woah, woah...

I never get arsey. Crotchety, maybe, but not arsey. I was just posting a sarcastic reply because anyone who chooses to refer to him by his far, far, far less commonly used name - the name he chose to renounce - is doing so for a reason. That is, it is indicative of an agenda.

I don't see that as being arsey.

Ok Cobra I'll keep it in mind to take your replies less seriously in future.

[salsanchezfan]

I'd just like to take a moment to compliment Cobra on his use of the word "crotchety." Well played.


...........Please continue.

[the cobra]

Originally Posted by Webbiano

Ok Cobra I'll keep it in mind to take your replies less seriously in future.

Oh, I can be serious. Very Serious.

This kind of serious:
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Originally posted by salsanchezfan
I'd just like to take a moment to compliment Cobra on his use of the word "crotchety." Well played.


...........Please continue.

I owe it all to you.

Cobra

Cobra

Cobra

Cobra

Um...yeah.

I don't really want to be that guy, but...well...I'd like it if you guys would at least address me by my proper name. I don't think that it's too much to ask, you know?

I mean, The 'c' is clearly lower case and...well...in case you guys didn't notice, there is a 'the' in front of it. Easy mistake, and it's not a big deal or anything , no worries , really, don't even concern yourself with it ...it's just...I mean...


...what do you guys think I am, huh? Is this all a game to you?

You think I'm just any old "Cobra," is that it? Just some nobody?! You think this is a game?! MAYBE I OUGHTTA GET A STEAK KNIFE AND ETCH IT INTO YOUR MOTHERFUCKIN' FOREHEADS! WOULD THAT SHOW YOU?! the cobra! HOW HARD IS THAT?! I AM the cobra AND YOU MISERABLE BUNCH OF TORTFEASORS WILL REFER TO ME AS SUCH FROM NOW ON!






















That is, if you gentlemen would be so kind to do so...

[The Spider]

Originally Posted by burt bienstock

I was at that fight [FOTC} MSG 1971,and there was so much electricity in the air
from the prelims to the main event...At the knockdown of Ali, the crowd went berserk
and the decision in favor of Frazier was a foregone conclusion expected by the crowd...
Truly a night to remember for me as my two buddies bought me a ticket without my knowledge...A helluva surprise !

Great to hear a first hand account

[Longhhorn71]

After the fight was over and the decision announced, I kept waiting for Clay to start crawling over to Frazier's corner....... and see what the crowd was going to do then.

[The Spider]

Originally Posted by Longhhorn71

After the fight was over and the decision announced, I kept waiting for Clay to start crawling over to Frazier's corner....... and see what the crowd was going to do then.

Clay changed his name to Muhammad Ali years before the Frazier fight.

You didn't catch onto that after Ali convinced Ernie Terrell of the fact?

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