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Old 12-06-2012, 03:44 PM   #46
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Default Re: How can people call Klitschko an ATG?

McCall said that Lennox wasn't that powerful
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Old 12-06-2012, 05:00 PM   #47
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How dare they? Little over dramatic huh?

With your logic you can say...

1. Ali: Clay at the time, was knocked on queer street by Henry Cooper who was 30 lbs lighter. Clay was given extra time and smelling salts to recover.

After Ali defeated prime George Foreman, Chuck Wepner (not near the physical specimen that W.Klit is) took Ali into the last seconds of the 15th rnd.

Ali lost to Leon Spinks. Nuff said!

How can you call Ali an ATG?

2. Holmes: Needed 13 rnds to defeat a rusty, inexperienced Gerry Cooney.
He lost to skinny little Michael Spinks twice!

How can you call Holmes an ATG?

3. Tyson: In his prime went the distance with Bonecrusher Smith, lost to Buster Douglas, lost twice to Holyfield the second time by intentional DQ, was destroyed by Lewis, Williams and quit on his stool without injury to Kevin McBride.

How can you call Tyson an ATG?

4. Foreman: Damn it's hard to find a knock on Big George but still he was destroyed by Ali when he was heavily favored and lost a UD to Jimmy Young and had a religious epiphany after the fight and took 20 years off.

How can you call Foreman an ATG?

5. Louis: Padded his stats by beating the "Bum Of The Month Club" and was KO'd at age 38 (two years older than Wlad 3 years younger than Vitali) by one of the smaller HW's of all time Rocky Marciano .

How can you possibly call Louis an ATG?

6. Lewis: Knocked out cold by greats Oliver McCall and Hasim Rahman with no attempt to get up off the canvas. Clear evidence of a glass chin!

And people actually think Lewis is an ATG?

7. Holyfield: lost in the Olympics, could only defeat John Ruiz once in three fights, lost to Klitschko Bro victims Larry Donald and Sultan Ibragimov!

And you think Holyfield is an ATG?

How dare they!!

How dare they
Every one of those fighters has other great achievements outside of their losses and resume, and all of them did it alone. Wlad's never been undisputed champ, or set any defence or age-related records, nor has he ever beat a Hall of Famer, much less an ATG.
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Old 12-06-2012, 06:37 PM   #48
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Dude you really ought to be ashamed of yourself for thinking that shit

Ali
Holmes
Tyson
Foreman
Louis
Lewis
Holyfield
Klitschko

It's not hard to spot the odd one out

How dare you put him in that category, how dare you
Tyson and Holyfield don't belong,Wlad does.Both were soft fighters and Wlad would of destroyed both of them.Only Ali,Foreman,Holmes had the skills Wlad has.Only Foreman had the power.
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Old 12-06-2012, 07:02 PM   #49
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Dude you really ought to be ashamed of yourself for thinking that shit

Ali
Holmes
Tyson
Foreman
Louis
Lewis
Holyfield
Klitschko

It's not hard to spot the odd one out

How dare you put him in that category, how dare you
so your point is that Caucasians cannot be ATGs? lol
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Old 12-06-2012, 07:03 PM   #50
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klitchko the great!
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Old 12-06-2012, 07:05 PM   #51
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Did the OP hurt your feelings?
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Old 12-06-2012, 07:07 PM   #52
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Did the OP hurt your feelings?
yes.. cause "stupid hurts"... and this thread is STUPID
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Old 12-06-2012, 07:12 PM   #53
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yes.. cause "stupid hurts"... and this thread is STUPID
I consider Wlad an ATG on longevity and longevity alone. He would be pretty much the first HW ATG to not have a single relevant win on his resume but it is what it is I suppose. You clearly can't take away his streak over such a long strech. Haye and Byrd are his two best wins and both are nothing but B-level. So depending on what your criteria for ATGness look like, the OP's suggestion that Wlad ain't an ATG is not too far-fetched even though I disagree.
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Old 12-06-2012, 08:11 PM   #54
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wlad is a respectable champion and damn good one. I'd put him in the top 20 ATG HW's somewhere around 18-19. H2H there's a lot of fighters that knopck his head off though and his resume is pathetic but it's not his fault there was no one good to fight and he beat everyone and clearly ruled his era which is worth something. he's a true professional as well.
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Old 12-07-2012, 12:41 AM   #55
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wlad is an ATG, how can a guy rule a division for 8 years and not be considered all time great. he did fight solid oposition, he doesn't have an ATG on his resume... but he has solid fighters in Byrd (twice), chagaev, Peter (first win was prime peter), Haye... along with other notable wins. these are my two cents.
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Old 12-07-2012, 12:44 AM   #56
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he's an ATG due to longevity and age.
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Old 12-07-2012, 12:45 AM   #57
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Both Klitschkos are good boxers, but problem with Wladimir is he has a glass chin, and even worse, he doesn't have the ability or heart to recover once his glass chin is touched. Hes developed the boxing skills to protect that weak chin of his but I just can't call him an ATG.

Vitali is a different matter. He has size/reach advantage, good boxing skills, great intelligence, knockout power, and most importantly an iron chin. He doesn't panic when he gets hit like Wladimir does. I have a lot of respect for Vitali as a result. Also he seems to get better with age.
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Old 12-07-2012, 12:46 AM   #58
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Nah, I'll go watch tyson, Holmes, Lewis, Louis, evader, marciano, dempsey, Foreman, Frazier etc etc etc

Klitschko created his own era of shit, as soon as he retires he'll be forgotten
You're an idiot and a troll.

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Old 12-07-2012, 12:49 AM   #59
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wlad is an ATG, how can a guy rule a division for 8 years and not be considered all time great. he did fight solid oposition, he doesn't have an ATG on his resume... but he has solid fighters in Byrd (twice), chagaev, Peter (first win was prime peter), Haye... along with other notable wins. these are my two cents.
You can't be an atg by being the best of a bunch of shit

Call him king of the bums or something, it's more fitting
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Old 12-07-2012, 12:54 AM   #60
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You can't be an atg by being the best of a bunch of shit

Call him king of the bums or something, it's more fitting
i bet you probobly never steppped in the ring... you can't call the best in the world bums just cuase you don't like their style, nationality or whatever it is.
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