Wladimir Klitschko vs. Rocky Marciano

[Garrus]

Something.

[dinovelvet]

Originally Posted by orriray59

You come off as somebody who doesn't have a clue about the point they're trying to make. You have no reasoning as to why you pick Marciano, so you say, "Uh, yeah... Wlad, he never beat anybody like Marciano. Yeah. That's right."

Which means fucking nothing, seeing as Rocky hasn't beaten anybody like Wlad. It literally means nothing.
I doubt you'll see your hypocrisy, but fuck it.

Untill i see Wlad beat somebody who is aggressive ,moves well, has fast heay hands and isn't afraid to get stuck in i wont be convinced otherwise. As it stands Wlad has lost to fighters with that criteria.

[Bummy Davis]

Rocky was far greater than all of the men that beat Vlad in fact some of the men Rocky beat were greater than the men that beat Vlad, however I do recognize an improvement in Vlad and he is getter better with each fight.

Vlad has some great advantages and size is one of them but I am afraid that even with the size difference Rocky would always be greater than Brewster, and Purity and hit harder, Sanders was an avoided and dangerous guy, Big Southpaw with fast hands and he may have also been able to upset Lennox Lewis with some actual conditioning and the element of surprise but all 3 are far away from what Marciano would bring,relentless Aggression, one punch power and heart.

While I do recognize that Vlad is one of the 3 best Big men to fight and the experience he has gained in his last 15 fights there would be other important factors in this fight, the distance 15 round? and are we plucking Marciano out of a decade from over 60 years ago where training to make weight was important for even a heavyweight that had to fight championship rounds and if so can we also be fair enough to reverse-evolve Vlad to an era 60 years ago where some of the modern weight training and weight gaining and muscle building did not exist ...either way this is not an easy fight for either man prime vs prime..Vlad has an excellent rhythm over 12 rounds and a GREAT defense but Marciano was one of the greatest Rhythm breakers with his unorthodox punching which was one of his underrated talents especially against the defensive wizards and he could always land a right hand like he did vs Rex Layne or Walcott or a hook like he dropped Charles and Matthews and Moore, and Marciano was a danger for 15 rounds, yes these were smaller men but a chin is a chin and this fight would be a super fight in Rocky's era or present...

[RockyJim]

Originally Posted by HOUDINI

Let's see.....Dempsey, Louis, Marciano, Liston, Foreman, Ali, .......did any of these fighters lose a fight to a larger fighter? The first three knocked out every large hwt they ever faced. Louis was heavily outweighed in two bouts with Buddy Baer, a deadly hitter and twice with Abe Simon. He scored knockouts in all four bouts. he had no issues reaching the much larger fighters chin. I see no reason why Rocky would not reach Wlads less than iron chin encased in his not so courageous body. Wlad is certainly there to be hit and Marciano s going to look quick in comparison. Everyone knows the toughness that Marciano possessed and we also know what happens when Wlad gets cracked. Eventually Marciano hits him on the chin....more than likely Rocky could take rounds of punishment if need be but along the way he is going to land..... Don't see Wad with his poor history taking punishment not going down in sections. If you think for a second that Purity, Brewster etc could ko Wlad but Rocky Marciano could not your fooling yourself.

...He's right...

[HOUDINI]

The idea is all I am hearing is how big Wlad is in comparison to Marciano. I am just pointing out that if you look at the all time greats, which Marciano certainly is, you don't see any of them losing to fighters that are much bigger. Add to this that Wlad was Koed brutally three times. He was Koed by Ross Purity for Gods sake! Not just KOED but the kind of KO where everyone watching laughs at how the loser stumbles all over himself all over the ring. In fact every time he was KOed it looked like he wanted to quit. This guy is beating Rocky Marciano? I think the real question is.....When Marciano stops him does he quit first or does his corner rush into the ring to save him from punishment?

[Garrus]

Once Wladimir lands a good solid right on Marciano it's over.

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[Seamus]

Originally Posted by HOUDINI

The idea is all I am hearing is how big Wlad is in comparison to Marciano. I am just pointing out that if you look at the all time greats, which Marciano certainly is, you don't see any of them losing to fighters that are much bigger. Add to this that Wlad was Koed brutally three times. He was Koed by Ross Purity for Gods sake! Not just KOED but the kind of KO where everyone watching laughs at how the loser stumbles all over himself all over the ring. In fact every time he was KOed it looked like he wanted to quit. This guy is beating Rocky Marciano? I think the real question is.....When Marciano stops him does he quit first or does his corner rush into the ring to save him from punishment?

Wow. You are adept both at comprehension of others' arguments and developing your own.

Yes, everyone is saying Wlad is big, therefore he wins. They are not saying he is giant (stronger, longer and heavier) AND hyper skilled or that he has had a period of dominance over the division longer than the Rock's actual career spanned, a career largely spent toiling on the local NE circuit (60% of fights in the SAME CITY!) fighting off ham and egger light heavies, finally catching the brass ring from a geriatric with a soft beard and defending against a motley crew of ancient lighheavies and a fat Englishman. No, no one is saying that...

[NoNeck]

Originally Posted by HOUDINI

Let's see.....Dempsey, Louis, Marciano, Liston, Foreman, Ali, .......did any of these fighters lose a fight to a larger fighter? The first three knocked out every large hwt they ever faced. Louis was heavily outweighed in two bouts with Buddy Baer, a deadly hitter and twice with Abe Simon. He scored knockouts in all four bouts. he had no issues reaching the much larger fighters chin. I see no reason why Rocky would not reach Wlads less than iron chin encased in his not so courageous body. Wlad is certainly there to be hit and Marciano s going to look quick in comparison. Everyone knows the toughness that Marciano possessed and we also know what happens when Wlad gets cracked. Eventually Marciano hits him on the chin....more than likely Rocky could take rounds of punishment if need be but along the way he is going to land..... Don't see Wad with his poor history taking punishment not going down in sections. If you think for a second that Purity, Brewster etc could ko Wlad but Rocky Marciano could not your fooling yourself.

Wlad has a 100% win percentage against men less than 220 and 6'2. Therefore, Marciano stands no chance.

[dinovelvet]

Marciano's size would actually make it harder for Wlad to hit him and easier for Marciano to get close. Throw fast feet and head movement in there aswel. Boxing 101.

[NoNeck]

You must've flunked that course.

[dyna]

Originally Posted by dinovelvet

Marciano's size would actually make it harder for Wlad to hit him and easier for Marciano to get close. Throw fast feet and head movement in there aswel. Boxing 101.

Marciano fights very crouched, getting your head under the belt isn't allowed.
Wlad by DQ.

[orriray59]

Originally Posted by Garrus

Once Wladimir lands a good solid right on Marciano it's over.

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Yes.

Now, I'm going to loathe myself for this, but it has to be done.

Look at this fucking bullshit right here.




Do people honestly fail to see how much of a fucking mismatch this is? I despise people when they bring up size up, but this is such a massive gulf in difference. Wladimir is, what? 7 inches taller? A 14 inch longer reach? 50lbs heavier?

Wladimir regularly knocks genuine heavyweights the fuck out. They may not be as good as Marciano (an ATG) but they're real heavy's. Rocky fought in the heavyweight division, yes, and I'll refer to him as such, but this fight would not be sanctioned.

I mean, what happens when Marciano starts getting pounded repeatedly with that jab, and has a 6'6, 250lb man lean on his back? What the fuck could he do?

People saying Rocky would get in because of fast hands and skill are just taking the piss.

[Garrus]

I wonder how he takes Wlad's jab, nevermind the right hand.

I think Wlad goes for a quick K.O here.

[HOUDINI]

No one is saying Marciano is going to win because he is smaller meathead. You are saying that Wlad is too big for Rocky and I am accurately pointing out you would be hard pressed to find an all time great hwt champion that lost to a fighter because said fighter was bigger. Wlad can't take a punch and his courage s highly questionable. Marciano knocks him out.....or perhaps he quits.

[HOUDINI]

Yes Wlad is built like Hercules but that's not boxing. We know that Rocky has tremendous courage and a granite chin..he was also an undefeated all time great champion. Wlads chin caves when Rocky hit him and his lack of courage does not allow him to recover. Does Wlad quit before his corner rushes into the ring to stop the fight?