the what fights did you watch today\scorecard thread.

[lora]

That's because he was a poor man's Marco Antonio Barrera.

[Nightcrawler]

JMM vs Victor Polo

12-0, Marquez. Maybe there was a Polo round but i didn't see it. Marquez was masterful and fuck i love that man's ring generalship. owned that fucking ring and a very good, if not elite, fighter. pacing, combos, everything were tremendous. he looks like a k-mart version of ricardo lopez

[Nightcrawler]

Also watching Marquez-Barrera

Barrera was FANTASTIC in the first half and i really believe that his performance, well past his very best, against a peak marquez show his true quality.

Round 7 was great for marquez until the knockdown. The bullshit, horrible call, turned a 10-8 barrera round into a 10-8 marquez round. I don't know if the ref told barrera to stop when marquez went down...he seem to pause like he was waiting for a call before he (foolishly) hit jmm

either way, barrera was awesome and scored a clean knockdown

[Flea Man]

Originally Posted by LittleRed

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Unfortunately his worst ever performance is sandwiched in between the 1st and 3rd Torres fights.

[Ivan Drago]

Watched Mayweather vs Castillo I today:

Round 1 - Mayweather 10-9
Round 2 - Mayweather 10-9
Round 3 - Mayweather 10-9
Round 4 - Mayweather 10-9
Round 5 - Castillo 9-10
Round 6 - Castillo 9-10
Round 7 - Castillo 9-10
Round 8 - Even 9-9 Castillo deducted 1 point for hitting on the break
Round 9 - Mayweather 10-9
Round 10 - Even 9-9 Mayweather deducted 1 point for repeated use of elbow.
Round 11 - Castillo 9-10
Round 12 - Castillo 9-10

Draw 113-113

Very close rounds I find the judges scorecards a little suspect but I feel like a lot of Mayweathers defensive work got overlooked and although Castillo was the aggressor, Mayweather did well at neutralising it so it was not always effective aggression. Still he did not do enough good work to establish his own pace and Castillo kept coming so I think a draw is propably a fair result.

[LittleRed]

Originally Posted by Flea Man

Unfortunately his worst ever performance is sandwiched in between the 1st and 3rd Torres fights.

You know who never had those sort of performances.

[Flea Man]

Torres might well have iced Lopez.

[LittleRed]

I was actually going to say Mayweather, but Torres ice Lopez! Never! The sun would fall from the sky first!

[Flea Man]

[McGrain]

Larry Holmes SD Ken Norton

I had Holmes taking the first five rounds on the stiff jab and general class. He just looks the superior fighter across the board. What's interesting is that as a precision instrument, when he starts to tire - and both these guys are tired at the end of fifth based upon a medium-hot pace made all the more difficult by the persisting, stalking Norton style - he suffers more from fatigue than Norton. Larry is straight-backed in essence but graceful and supple with this. Norton is more lurching, untidy, a looping overhand right and a less concise jab happily defined by the shifting Norton stance/hand positioning. Because he's a much rougher tool, when he starts to flag it doesn't affect his style. Meanwhile Holmes, who never looked faster than in these first five rounds, starts to fall a fraction behind in pulling his head back and getting his hands up. Norton is physically just as affected by the pace and style of the fight but it stranslates differently because of his rougher style.

What this means in practice is that after banking the first five on my card, Norton goes on his own little run, taking 6-11 on my card. Lots of these rounds - 7,8,10 - were really really close in my opinion. The seventh for example would be scored even by many but I thought that Norton shaved it on aggression and general hustle.

In the ninth, when Norton found his right hand range in earnest, things look pretty bad for Holmes who does almost nothing in the 10th, giving the round away by default. The first really close round that went to Larry on my card rather than Ken was the 12th which I scored for Holmes. In the 13th the Easton Assassin spent his reserves on as destructive a round ever seen at HW that did not produce a KD and could arguably be scored 10-8 but it left Larry with almost nothing, and he gift-wrapped the 14th before rallying in that infamous 15th - a round I thought Norton also shaded despite the horrible destruction reigned down upon the champ in the last 20 seconds. This gave me:

NORTON: 6,7,8,9,10,11,14,15
HOMLES: 1,2,3,4,5,12,13*

So I have it to Norton. I don't say he won, however, for a few reasons, mostly that this is a very close fight and you can score it either way reasonably, not least because of all the close rounds - 3/4 of which went to Norton on my card. Reverse that ration (and you could do so) and Holmes is ahead on my card. Furthermore, whilst i'm very very conservative about it I do really think you could make 13 a 10-8 round which makes this a draw on my card.

Certainly no definitive winner in this scorcher.

[dinovelvet]

^Thats a boxing match for ya. Great fight.

[Nightcrawler]

Originally Posted by McGrain

Larry Holmes SD Ken Norton

I had Holmes taking the first five rounds on the stiff jab and general class. He just looks the superior fighter across the board. What's interesting is that as a precision instrument, when he starts to tire - and both these guys are tired at the end of fifth based upon a medium-hot pace made all the more difficult by the persisting, stalking Norton style - he suffers more from fatigue than Holmes. Larry is straight-backed in essence but graceful and supple with this. Norton is more lurching, untidy, a looping overhand right and a less concise jab happily defined by the shifting Norton stance/hand positioning. Because he's a much rougher tool, when he starts to flag it doesn't affect his style. Meanwhile Holmes, who never looked faster than in these first five rounds, starts to fall a fraction behind in pulling his head back and getting his hands up. Norton is physically just as affected by the pace and style of the fight but it stranslates differently because of his rougher style.

What this means in practice is that after banking the first five on my card, Norton goes on his own little run, taking 6-11 on my card. Lots of these rounds - 7,8,10 - were really really close in my opinion. The seventh for example would be scored even by many but I thought that Norton shaved it on aggression and general hustle.

In the ninth, when Norton found his right hand range in earnest, things look pretty bad for Holmes who does almost nothing in the 10th, giving the round away by default. The first really close round that went to Larry on my card rather than Ken was the 12th which I scored for Holmes. In the 13th the Easton Assassin spent his reserves on as destructive a round ever seen at HW that did not produce a KD and could arguably be scored 10-8 but it left Larry with almost nothing, and he gift-wrapped the 14th before rallying in that infamous 15th - a round I thought Norton also shaded despite the horrible destruction reigned down upon the champ in the last 20 seconds. This gave me:

NORTON: 6,7,8,9,10,11,14,15
HOMLES: 1,2,3,4,5,12,13*

So I have it to Holmes. I don't say he won, however, for a few reasons, mostly that this is a very close fight and you can score it either way reasonably, not least because of all the close rounds - 3/4 of which went to Norton on my card. Reverse that ration (and you could do so) and Holmes is ahead on my card. Furthermore, whilst i'm very very conservative about it I do really think you could make 13 a 10-8 round which makes this a draw on my card.

Certainly no definitive winner in this scorcher.

nice scorecard, great analysis and justification. my only (minor) disagreement is the 15th but like you said there were so many close rounds, that amongst them, there's reasonable cause for giving it to either man

[KidJackal]

Watched Leonard v Hagler in it's entirety for the first time the other day, loved it as a fight, some much dram and emotion in it. Hagler completely blew it for me with the slow start and switching stances, that and not taking advantage of the fact that Leonard was gone from about the 5th or 6th round. Great performance from Leomard though, did exactly what he needed to nick the decision and showed serious balls sticking it out til the end.

I had it 7-5 in favour of Leonard, can't remember the rounds I scored in the second half though... Had it 5-1 Leonard through six.

[Nightcrawler]

Originally Posted by LittleRed

You know who never had those sort of performances.

"remember that time i lost...? neither do I!!"~ Ricardo Lopez

[Addie]

I just watched Julio Cesar Chavez's systematic destruction of Greg Haugen. Definitely one of my favourite one-sided fights to watch. No mug by any means, Haugen was dominated from the first bell taking stiff right hands, and being pulverized to the body by Chavez's patterned left hook. I've never seen a better combination puncher to body and head than JCC and this fight demonstrates his abilities to mix it up perfectly. Beautiful offensive display by JCC.