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Old 12-07-2012, 06:47 PM   #16
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The A>B>C game does not work in boxing, you should all know this
It is so popular to claim this.

But what some people forget is that it does work far the majority of the time. Not alway, but most of the time.

For example, if Ward (A) fought the opponents that Froch (B) beat, he would also beat them (C) most of the time.
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Old 12-07-2012, 06:48 PM   #17
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If Abe struggles at all, it makes two things clear:

- underrated comeback performance by Kessler (yeah, it was a guy moving up in weight and who'd never accomplished all that much before or since...but Bouadla isn't terrible - and Kessler sort of easily meandered back and forth between outboxing and mauling the little Frenchman)

- the "Abraham as a super middleweight" experiment is officially over.
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Old 12-07-2012, 06:50 PM   #18
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It is so popular to claim this.

But what some people forget is that it does work far the majority of the time. Not alway, but most of the time.

For example, if Ward (A) fought the opponents that Froch (B) beat, he would also beat them (C) most of the time.
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I think Abraham wins, but loses a couple rounds.
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Old 12-07-2012, 08:04 PM   #20
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I think AA KO's him mid rounds.
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Old 12-07-2012, 08:05 PM   #21
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I think Abraham wins, but loses a couple rounds.
This sounds about right.

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I think AA KO's him mid rounds.
I will be vaguely impressed if this happens.
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Old 12-07-2012, 08:11 PM   #22
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It is so popular to claim this.

But what some people forget is that it does work far the majority of the time. Not alway, but most of the time.

For example, if Ward (A) fought the opponents that Froch (B) beat, he would also beat them (C) most of the time.
Ward is 2nd or 3rd p4p and the best in the division of course hes meant to beat everyone
what a dumb example
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Old 12-07-2012, 08:14 PM   #23
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Ward is 2nd or 3rd p4p and the best in the division of course hes meant to beat everyone
what a dumb example
Come on... it should not be hard to understand that this is mostly the case.

But just to humour you let's take a few other ones...

if Froch (A) fought the opponents that Magee (B) beat, he would also beat them (C) most of the time.

if Abraham (A) fought the opponents that Stieglitz (B) beat, he would also beat them (C) most of the time.

Is that better, or you need a billion other examples spelled out to understand this?
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Old 12-07-2012, 11:13 PM   #24
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If Abe struggles at all, it makes two things clear:

- underrated comeback performance by Kessler (yeah, it was a guy moving up in weight and who'd never accomplished all that much before or since...but Bouadla isn't terrible - and Kessler sort of easily meandered back and forth between outboxing and mauling the little Frenchman)

- the "Abraham as a super middleweight" experiment is officially over.
IB, how would you define struggle?

I'm banking on him losing a few rounds because even with some weaker competition he still gave away rounds.
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Old 12-07-2012, 11:20 PM   #25
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IB, how would you define struggle?

I'm banking on him losing a few rounds because even with some weaker competition he still gave away rounds.
If he loses early rounds, no big deal.

If Bouadla can find some crafty way to outmaneuver him and drop in enough shots to score points after Abraham "wakes up" - that's no good.
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If he loses early rounds, no big deal.

If Bouadla can find some crafty way to outmaneuver him and drop in enough shots to score points after Abraham "wakes up" - that's no good.
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Old 12-08-2012, 09:45 AM   #27
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This sounds about right.



I will be vaguely impressed if this happens.
Well prepare to be utterly and unequivocally vaguely impressed!
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Old 12-08-2012, 10:44 AM   #28
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Come on... it should not be hard to understand that this is mostly the case.

But just to humour you let's take a few other ones...

if Froch (A) fought the opponents that Magee (B) beat, he would also beat them (C) most of the time.

if Abraham (A) fought the opponents that Stieglitz (B) beat, he would also beat them (C) most of the time.

Is that better, or you need a billion other examples spelled out to understand this?
While I agree that the "triangle theory" can be helpful in that sense I think it becomes less effective in the sense that you might be applying it.

What I mean is, your thread topic doesn't lay out like A beats B and therefore they beat C most of the time as laid out above. It lays out more like Kessler, AA, and GGG all beat opponent C, who beats him worse shines light on where each fighter is...I don't think that model is all that effective.EDIT: though it might be in this case because I would expect Kessler to beat both.
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Old 12-08-2012, 12:00 PM   #29
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While I agree that the "triangle theory" can be helpful in that sense I think it becomes less effective in the sense that you might be applying it.

What I mean is, your thread topic doesn't lay out like A beats B and therefore they beat C most of the time as laid out above. It lays out more like Kessler, AA, and GGG all beat opponent C, who beats him worse shines light on where each fighter is...I don't think that model is all that effective.EDIT: though it might be in this case because I would expect Kessler to beat both.
A>B>C holds far the majority of the time. This is often forgotten. But it should also be remembered that it is not a rule without exceptions, so we cannot be certain it holds in any specific fight.

And while it is generally very effective at predicting who beats who on average, it (like you argue) becomes far less effective at predicting 'how well' they will beat someone else. That is true, and although it was what the tread started with it was not what I replied to in that post.. it was whether A>B>C can be used or not.
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