Can Oscar de La Hoya beat Duran at at 147. In there primes? - Page 5

TheSouthpaw · 12-07-2012, 05:09 PM

Good, but not great

BUDW · 12-07-2012, 06:08 PM

No

orriray59 · 12-07-2012, 06:15 PM

I don't really like these questions. Fuck knows what'd happen if in a separate universe they fought.
Perhaps "would" DLH beat Duran would be a better phrased question.

MAG1965 · 12-07-2012, 07:24 PM

This theory that Duran would demolish Delahoya is a little overrated. Oscar still had a nice counter left and Duran would not just rush in.

Vanboxingfan · 12-07-2012, 08:03 PM

I would pick Duran, for a couple of reasons. The main reason is that the only way I see Oscar winning is if the fight is on the outside, would that be a likely scenario? I don't think so.

So if Oscar can't keep Duran on the outside with his jab, which I think most agree isn't likely, then what are Oscar's options?

I just watched his fight with JCC and he's got a pretty good upper cut, but honestly if Duran's on the inside you're pretty much going to have to KO him to get him to stop. There are really only two options to deal with Duran. One is to have the power of Hearns to KO him while he's trying to get in the inside, and the other option is movement, movement, movement(with enough offensive thrown in to get a decision). I don't think Oscar is particular great at either of these options. He's more of a fighter who wants to bomb you out with his left hook, or upper cut and has a good jab. But those set of skills aren't enough to beat Duran with.

TheSouthpaw · 12-07-2012, 08:30 PM

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Still think that for some crazy reason you are arguing both sides is to prolong the life of "YOUR THREAD"?

Either way, I have no problem w/ a Duran pick and think going in he would clearly be the favorite...But to destroy him in 6 is one of the unlikely results which we could excpect?

1st DLH has not during his prime years (or his peak years @ WW) been destroyed. He has certainly shown conditioning, fatigue concerns where he slows down as a fight progresses...But he has shown to be pretty durable.

2nd Duran, not during his ww days from 78-81, did not destroy mediocre guys in 6 rounds or less...

He beat
Wheatly (7-2-0) in 6
Nsubuga (15-1-0) in 4
Obando (0-3-0) in 2

Unless there is a certain style weakness for DLH, a stoppage within 6 is not the most likely scenerio. Duran went 9(4)-1 during this time frame where most of his opponents and all of his top ones went the distance with him....Perhaps if this goes 15 Duran could stop him...inside of 12, the most likely scenerio is this goes to the cards.

looking through the thread very few comparitively are picking DLH. Duran is the favorite, but DLH gets my underdog pick!

Im not prolonging anything Philly, dont be a smartass...lol..But I do agree with you, unless there is some kind of unseen weakness a stoppage within 6 isnt very likely. Either way this would have been one for the books my man.

TheSouthpaw · 12-07-2012, 08:31 PM

Im not so sure how effective DLH's jab would have been against Duran...

TheSouthpaw · 12-07-2012, 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by MAG1965

This theory that Duran would demolish Delahoya is a little overrated. Oscar still had a nice counter left and Duran would not just rush in.

I bet he would...

Vanboxingfan · 12-07-2012, 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by PhillyPhan69

looking through the thread very few comparitively are picking DLH. Duran is the favorite, but DLH gets my underdog pick!

DLH is almost everyone's underdog pick, simply because most favor Duran. So be defination that makes OLH okay..wait for it..." the underdog"

TheSouthpaw · 12-07-2012, 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by orriray59

I don't really like these questions. Fuck knows what'd happen if in a separate universe they fought.
Perhaps "would" DLH beat Duran would be a better phrased question.

MAG1965 · 12-07-2012, 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by TheSouthpaw

I bet he would...

when did Duran easily beat a great fighter or elite? Not often. If Duran walked through Benitez or Hearns and Leonard I would say ok he would beat Delahoya easily. And Oscar has a good jab and is quick, which is Roberto's achilles.

TheSouthpaw · 12-08-2012, 12:30 AM

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Originally Posted by MAG1965

when did Duran easily beat a great fighter or elite? Not often. If Duran walked through Benitez or Hearns and Leonard I would say ok he would beat Delahoya easily. And Oscar has a good jab and is quick, which is Roberto's achilles.

But he did walk through Leonard my man.....

TheSouthpaw · 12-08-2012, 12:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Vanboxingfan

DLH is almost everyone's underdog pick, simply because most favor Duran. So be defination that makes OLH okay..wait for it..." the underdog"

History will tell you being the underdog sometimes dont mean shit.Upsets have been happening for over 100 years guys..

TheSouthpaw · 12-08-2012, 12:36 AM

Everyone just assumes DLH would be the underdog, but what if its a title defense where DLH is WW champion, then whos favored?

MAG1965 · 12-08-2012, 12:55 AM

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But he did walk through Leonard my man.....

That was not walking though anyone. He didnt stop Ray. Ray fighting his fight and Duran not stopping him. Which actually gave Ray confidence. Ray said after " I fought this man at his own fight and he couldn't stop me! I knew if I fought my fight I win easily". I don't think Ray walked through Leonard at all.

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Vanboxingfan Belt holder ESB Addict Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Vancouver Posts: 3,066 vCash: 1000	Re: Can Oscar de La Hoya beat Duran at at 147. In there primes? I would pick Duran, for a couple of reasons. The main reason is that the only way I see Oscar winning is if the fight is on the outside, would that be a likely scenario? I don't think so. So if Oscar can't keep Duran on the outside with his jab, which I think most agree isn't likely, then what are Oscar's options? I just watched his fight with JCC and he's got a pretty good upper cut, but honestly if Duran's on the inside you're pretty much going to have to KO him to get him to stop. There are really only two options to deal with Duran. One is to have the power of Hearns to KO him while he's trying to get in the inside, and the other option is movement, movement, movement(with enough offensive thrown in to get a decision). I don't think Oscar is particular great at either of these options. He's more of a fighter who wants to bomb you out with his left hook, or upper cut and has a good jab. But those set of skills aren't enough to beat Duran with.
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