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Old 12-07-2012, 06:51 PM   #226
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Did you know that Liles easily defeated Jones in the AM's and nearly KO'ed him? Jones also lost to McClellan BTW but thats just bonus info.

Since Liles was such a bad styles matchup its surely good for Jones that they never fought in the pros.

But hey. Its not a duck. Jones just didn't want to fight him right?

Oh and my list is not a joke. Its the truth. You just dont happen to like it.
Yes of course I know what happened in the am's. I'm being honest and not biased by saying I don't think Roy would have relished fighting him. But I don't think Roy ducked him, because Roy and his team didn't want to tie in with King.

There was talk back in the day, of Liles potentially moving up to 175, but he lost to Byron Mitchell in the same year that Roy unified against Johnson. He then retired for 2-3 years, then had 1-2 more fights before calling it a day. So apart from when they were both at 168 briefly, their paths didn't really cross.

Nobody likes to fight southpaws, but Roy fought his fair share apart from Nunn. Reggie Johnson was a good fighter, and Harding was very awkward, and obviously he fought Tarver three times. All I'm saying is, Roy certainly didn't chase Liles, but I think it's unfair for you and others to say he ducked him.

Roy was always very wary of Don, and he only used him for a handful of fights in his career. But you also have to see things from Don's perspective too. Of course he wanted options on Roy, Roy was the best fighter on the planet and Don was greedy.

So no it wasn't a duck in my opinion. I don't think Roy would have been desperate to fight Eubank either, but he certainly didn't duck him too.

I know Roy took easy fights, but you're implying that that's all he did, which is unfair.

Back to your list, I've already removed six fighters from it.

You're happy to throw the names around, but you're not willing to do the research.

Van Horn was absolutely laughable!

He didn't have ONE fight at 168 while Roy was there, yet you're asking why they didn't fight? It's a joke!

Go and pull the resumes up of each fighter, and look at who they fought, and where they fought, while Roy was at 168. Have a look. Some of those names on the list are ridiculous! For example, go and look at Cordorba's record.

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Old 12-07-2012, 07:11 PM   #227
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Touche. I was going by memory on Nunn. He lost to Liles before the paz fight. He should have fought Nunn before Paz.
When though? When they were both at 160?

If that's what you're referring too, fair enough. I don't agree, but I respect your opinion.

As I've mentioned earlier in the thread, I think Roy missed the big names at 160, because he was held back by big Roy.

When Toney (who's only 5-6 months older than Roy) was fighting Nunn and McCallum in the early 90's, Roy was fighting nobodies apart from Castro.

When he made a name for himself and moved up the rankings by winning the vacant belt against Hop, he was already struggling to hit 160. After Hop, he was fighting at 166 and 168 apart from Tate I believe.

So I don't think a fight at 160 would have been viable.

When Roy was at 168, Nunn was fighting between 175-195 as mentioned, apart from a few fights. So I don't think a fight at 168 between 94-96 was viable either.

When Roy moved up to 175, Nunn was mandatory to Roy, and Roy should have fought him. It's understandable that people call that a duck, and that's fine, but in my opinion Nunn was nowhere near the fighter he once was at that point. But again, I agree he should have fought him.

Lots of people say that Roy was scared of Nunn and Collins, and everyone is entitled to their own opinion.

But it seems odd to me, that Roy would be scared of fighting those guys when he was peak, in his late 20's, when at 34-35, he was asking Murad Muhammad to try and get him fights with Tyson, Holy and Lewis.

It doesn't make sense to me. Did he duck them out of fear of losing, or did he dismiss them?
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Old 12-07-2012, 07:26 PM   #228
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A modern light heavy that went up to heavy an won a belt is afraid of Benn and Eubank. Makes great sense
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Old 12-07-2012, 07:32 PM   #229
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James Toney was also scared of Benn an Eubank. Instead he ended his career feasting bum ass no risk fighters named Jirov, Holyfield, an sam peter. All you have to do is look at the tail end of their careers to see who was afraid to fight who. I dont care about all of this he say she say negotiation bullshit
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Old 12-08-2012, 03:50 AM   #230
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There used to be an old HBO interview before the Bryant Brannon fight, with Roy in the ring, expressing his frustrations that he couldn't get top guys to fight him... Some of the names you listed were mentioned and offered contracts, which HBO backed. Wish the video wasn't removed.

It was not all Roy's fault that some of those fights were not made, and it shows lack of knowledge on the business side of boxing to believe that it is.
Hi mate, I know the interview that you're talking about. The last time I saw it was about three years ago. I might know someone that has it, and can upload it. I'll try and find out.

This is still on YouTube, but it doesn't go into any detail.

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAP2JdvnDkY&sns=em[/ame]


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Old 12-08-2012, 04:04 AM   #231
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No one was afraid of those british faggots
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Old 12-08-2012, 04:06 AM   #232
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Jones never fought a top 3 opponent after Toney. He had 6 fights at 168 after beating him. Of those fights he beat an unranked Thornton, a suspected juiced lightweight in Pazienza, a past it Byrd, a never was in Sosa, a young non-threat in Lucas and a veteran of 16 fights in Brannon.


So the deserving fighters Jones didn't fight is these guys:

Nunn
Benn
Eubank
Collins
Barkley
Cordoba
Littles
Van Horn
Liles
Nardiello
Close
Rocchigianni
Nicotra



That was at SMW. At LHW DM is the frontrunner.
I've already pulled the resumes of Nardiello, Van Horn and Cordorba, and now I've just looked at Frank Nicotra's resume.

From 1994-96 while Roy was at 168, Nicotra had Just ONE FIGHT there against Hedi El Assaidi.

That's another one wiped off your list.

You think that Van Horn, Cordorba and Nicotra were DESERVING of fights? Ha!

You should have done your homework on this list, before typing it on here and criticising Roy.

You've just thrown a load of names around, without giving a seconds thought.

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Old 12-08-2012, 04:07 AM   #233
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Jones was a cherrypicker.... No doubt!
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Old 12-08-2012, 04:15 AM   #234
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Bat,

I'll do one more for you.

Ray Close.

Between 94-96, while Roy fought at 168, Ray Close only had ONE FIGHT there against Eubank, in their rematch. After that fight, he had two years off, then came back at light heavy.

How was he deserving of a fight against Roy?

I'm destroying your list!

Cordorba, Van Horn, Nicotra and now Ray close.

NONE of those fighters were deserving of fights with Roy between 1994-1996.

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Old 12-08-2012, 04:15 AM   #235
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Did you see my post regarding the missing names on Jones's resume at SMW?
I didnt no. I would be very interested to see it
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Old 12-08-2012, 04:16 AM   #236
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Hi mate, I know the interview that you're talking about. The last time I saw it was about three years ago. I might know someone that has it, and can upload it. I'll try and find out.

This is still on YouTube, but it doesn't go into any detail.

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Regards, Loudon.
If one of your pals would upload it that would be great. I haven't seen it!
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Old 12-08-2012, 04:16 AM   #237
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Jones was a cherrypicker.... No doubt!
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Old 12-08-2012, 04:18 AM   #238
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I didnt no. I would be very interested to see it
You'll have to help him, because I've just trashed half of them.
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Old 12-08-2012, 04:26 AM   #239
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To be fair Jones' campaign at LHW was respectable, but lets not forget he get trashed more then one time at that weight. His campaign at SMW is not impressive imo (missing to many names). Im not going to comment on his HW campaign.

Superman??? I think not!
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Old 12-08-2012, 04:26 AM   #240
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Let's look at Tim Littles from that list.

Between 1994-96 while Roy was at 168,

He lost to Toney, before Roy beat Toney, and then he beat Casenay Truesdale, Mike Belcher, Chris Sande, and then lost to Frankie Liles.

Was he any more deserving of a shot against Roy, than the guys Roy fought, with wins against Truesdale, Belcher and Sande?

Another one bites the dust!
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