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Old 12-07-2012, 06:28 PM   #181
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Thank you, you are correct, when children dont understand and present a silly arguement and calling people who are somebody, idiots, retarded and whatever then no matter what you might say, they are there to piss on it, so its pointless argueing about something with somebody who claims he is making the point that everybody should agree. If you have a valid, or even just a respectful answer or comment without resorting to namecalling to people who deserve respect. Those who want respect, give respect if not then it's CARTOONTIME.
Instead of posting cartoons or whatever, it would reflect much better upon yourself if you pick out the flaws in the argument presented to you. I'm not 'hating' or anything, I just think resorting to spamming smileys quickly results in threads getting ruined.
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Old 12-07-2012, 07:04 PM   #182
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Thank you, you are correct, when children dont understand and present a silly arguement and calling people who are somebody, idiots, retarded and whatever then no matter what you might say, they are there to piss on it, so its pointless argueing about something with somebody who claims he is making the point that everybody should agree. If you have a valid, or even just a respectful answer or comment without resorting to namecalling to people who deserve respect. Those who want respect, give respect if not then it's CARTOONTIME.
No i dont have any "respectful" answer or comments for you cause a)if you want respect you got to give it first,and you didnt give shit and b)you cant understand anything i will say,and you will just bent it on emoticons and some sarcasm shit,then you start again and its a circle.
Few pages earlier you wanted to explain some stuff which you couldnt and you got chewed up in the process, so you started to get sarcastic and then they chewed you up more ,and now when you stumble upon things you cant comprehend or just wont in spite, you do emoticons.Simple.Next thing its gonna be grammar "s"hecking(here i made it simple) etc etc.
Happens all the time at forums.
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Old 12-07-2012, 07:09 PM   #183
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Hmmmm!, do you have any books in mind?
Peridozation:Theory and Methodology of Training
Total training for young champions
Tudor Bompa
That would be a start.
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Old 12-07-2012, 09:29 PM   #184
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Instead of posting cartoons or whatever, it would reflect much better upon yourself if you pick out the flaws in the argument presented to you. I'm not 'hating' or anything, I just think resorting to spamming smileys quickly results in threads getting ruined.
I have and the only thing that seems to work is cartoons. Somebody should address the statement, Old school training routines seem to be the simplest and most effective!, I for one would like to know why someone agrees or disagrees with the statement. It would great if someone would say, "I have this routine that my grandfather's grandfather used to use, and it still seems to work.
Old school for example, handball, Dempsey, Greb and many great fighters regularly incorperated handball into their training program.
Lets see what response this gets.
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Old 12-07-2012, 09:44 PM   #185
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No i dont have any "respectful" answer or comments for you cause a)if you want respect you got to give it first,and you didnt give shit and b)you cant understand anything i will say,and you will just bent it on emoticons and some sarcasm shit,then you start again and its a circle.
Few pages earlier you wanted to explain some stuff which you couldnt and you got chewed up in the process, so you started to get sarcastic and then they chewed you up more ,and now when you stumble upon things you cant comprehend or just wont in spite, you do emoticons.Simple.Next thing its gonna be grammar "s"hecking(here i made it simple) etc etc.
Happens all the time at forums.
OMG, if that works for you, ok. About your books, sorry not my cup of tea. If you are a trainer I commend you for trying to educate yourself, if you are a fighter then you need to find another trainer. I dont know how it is with OFC, and their coaches, but any good boxing coach can teach you and prepare you for a fight. If you have to check the coaches library to make a decision, you are looking at a guy who learned through reading rather then through hands on experience. I would rather hear and see a coach train then I can make a decision.
Lets see what replies I get.
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Old 12-08-2012, 06:44 AM   #186
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OMG, if that works for you, ok. About your books, sorry not my cup of tea. If you are a trainer I commend you for trying to educate yourself, if you are a fighter then you need to find another trainer. I dont know how it is with OFC, and their coaches, but any good boxing coach can teach you and prepare you for a fight. If you have to check the coaches library to make a decision, you are looking at a guy who learned through reading rather then through hands on experience. I would rather hear and see a coach train then I can make a decision.
Lets see what replies I get.
Why should i find another trainer?Cause i have one that doesnt have a big ****ing ego and lets me do my thing with my s&c?!LOL you are unbelievable.
I got tired of ****ing idiots i had for trainers when i was in a university,mixing apples and oranges and talking how weights are bad and how i should run till the day end and they couldnt demonstrate a ****ign squat properly.As brow bomber and jdsm said as well,we know what happens on a club level and its scary.
About the books,yea ofc,its easier to shit on something you cant understand or know than actually to READ something.I tried a lot of stuff in my life training wise,and i dont see any problem,i saw i tried it,what suited me best i kept.
Boxing trainers suck at basic s&c,it is what it is,if you ask him how to do a periodization for s&c for boxing which is a BASIC thing they wouldnt know what to say.Its no different than a soccer,football,basketball,or every damn sport on high level.Its not a disrespectfull thing to say.
Angelo Dundee and Cus damato never laced a glove on their hands btw and they we phenomenal boxing coaches and im pretty sure Hunter was never a boxer as well.But im not quite certain.So how can they teach boxing for example as they have never boxed but s&c trainers should have boxed if they are gonna do s&c for boxing?Se how this works?

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Old 12-08-2012, 08:50 AM   #187
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I have and the only thing that seems to work is cartoons. Somebody should address the statement, Old school training routines seem to be the simplest and most effective!, I for one would like to know why someone agrees or disagrees with the statement. It would great if someone would say, "I have this routine that my grandfather's grandfather used to use, and it still seems to work.
Old school for example, handball, Dempsey, Greb and many great fighters regularly incorperated handball into their training program.
Lets see what response this gets.
Do you even have any idea what you're trying to say? How could anything 'not work'? Everything does something. The most effective at what? Boxing training improves boxing skills, always has and always will. I could train boxing all day and spend 10 minutes throwing faeces at the wall and be a great boxer. So throwing shit at a wall is good for boxing? Do you understand yet why everybody here thinks you're a complete moron?
If you do something then you have to explain why you're doing it and what you're improving. Saying that it's old school and it works doesn't mean shit. With knowledge comes understanding of motor control, skill acquisition, maximising different components of fitness. Boxing coaches might accidentally do some things right but when it comes to someone who specialises in those areas the boxing coach is relatively clueless 99 times out of 100.
Old school training is by definition less effective, you can only go forward as knowledge advances unless you're actively trying to sabotage your fighter. Which seems to be what you're intent on doing out of ignorance and narrow-mindedness. You're a fool, post some more cartoons.
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Old 12-08-2012, 07:27 PM   #188
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Do you even have any idea what you're trying to say? How could anything 'not work'? Everything does something. The most effective at what? Boxing training improves boxing skills, always has and always will. I could train boxing all day and spend 10 minutes throwing faeces at the wall and be a great boxer. So throwing shit at a wall is good for boxing? Do you understand yet why everybody here thinks you're a complete moron?
If you do something then you have to explain why you're doing it and what you're improving. Saying that it's old school and it works doesn't mean shit. With knowledge comes understanding of motor control, skill acquisition, maximising different components of fitness. Boxing coaches might accidentally do some things right but when it comes to someone who specialises in those areas the boxing coach is relatively clueless 99 times out of 100.
Old school training is by definition less effective, you can only go forward as knowledge advances unless you're actively trying to sabotage your fighter. Which seems to be what you're intent on doing out of ignorance and narrow-mindedness. You're a fool, post some more cartoons.
I definitely will, I am not going to be caught up in your fecal matter, Hey kids its CARTOON TIME:
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