Who has Marquez beaten in the Welterweight Division?

[davebenoit]

Originally Posted by skoorydookatron

Missing the point.

I have no problem saying Pac deserved the nod over Bradley its easy Pac should have got the decision.

But on the other hand out of the 3 Pac vs Marquez fights how many are you willing to admit Marquez should have got the nod ?

If the answer is none then typical Pac fan.

So why invoke Bradley which is obviously a Pac win. As I've said, the last three fights are close to call, and I respect the judges' decision. Had they declare Marquez the winner, I will respect that too.

Don't be a sore loser.

[brown-bomber]

When you're an ATG and nearly 40, it is perfectly acceptable to avoid fights in the division you're campaigning at if you have scores to settle with an old foe who is the 2nd biggest draw in the sport. Besides, both fighters aren't even true welterweights. Are they even going to weigh in at over 150 tonight? And for the record, I'm more of a pacquiao fan.

[skoorydookatron]

Originally Posted by davebenoit

So why invoke Bradley which is obviously a Pac win. As I've said, the last three fights are close to call, and I respect the judges' decision. Had they declare Marquez the winner, I will respect that too.

Don't be a sore loser.

Yes it is a Pac win but Pac vs Marquez 3 was an obvious Marquez win its nothing to do with being a sore loser.

And bringing bradley in to it was clearly to highlight the fact that you said because the judges awarded decisions to Pac that was that you can't use that logic to try and make a point and then dismiss it when used against something you don't agree with.

Both of those fights went to the wrong person now most boxing fans can happily say that Pac fans not so much.

[davebenoit]

Originally Posted by skoorydookatron

Yes it is a Pac win but Pac vs Marquez 3 was an obvious Marquez win its nothing to do with being a sore loser.

And bringing bradley in to it was clearly to highlight the fact that you said because the judges awarded decisions to Pac that was that you can't use that logic to try and make a point and then dismiss it when used against something you don't agree with.

Both of those fights went to the wrong person now most boxing fans can happily say that Pac fans not so much.

Here's the difference:
Bradley-Pacquiao was not a close fight.
Pacquiao-Marquez 3 fights were close. On the 3rd fight, Marquez was leading by a point or two, until he lost his agression and Pac won the remaining rounds to seal a close victory.

[saul_ir34]

I love how insecure Pac fans get when JMM is about to beat his ass again.

[elninochino]

Jmm deserves a fight in any weight he wants. True legend

[davebenoit]

Originally Posted by saul_ir34

I love how insecure Pac fans get when JMM is about to beat his ass again.

You're a Mexican, right?

[MarioBrothers]

If he stop chasing money (pac/floyd) do it legacy wise after his fight with katsidis or was it with el cepilo? He could have gone on to win belts at 140 and 147. Should have been made it as the 1st mexican to win in 5 divisions.

at 140 he could have beaten khan or bradley. At 147, I'm sure he would have beaten berto. He is that good, but you know how it is he chose the money which is also good as he defeated pac in the eyes of the fans but I'm pretty sure if he chose to he could have squeeze a title bout for 140 and 147 while still going the money route. But instead he opted for scrubs like likar ramos and fedchenko which is rather disappointing as a fan. And that 2nd fight with diaz was unnecessary

[davebenoit]

Originally Posted by elninochino

Jmm deserves a fight in any weight he wants. True legend

Yes, I agree he's a true Mexican legend and I admire his boxing skills. But, he has no choice actually but to pursue Pac who has moved several divisions higher. Arguably, Pac is the only boxer who can beat Floyd. No wonder, Floyd is avoiding him like plague despite all the concessions that Pac had agreed on.

[Chappy112]

Originally Posted by davebenoit

Show me the record... Oh, it's only your opinion.

That's a bit of a cop out isn't it? If that's the case then Pacquiao lost against Bradley.

Anyone with a brain cell knows that Marquez beat Pacquiao in their 3rd fight.

[davebenoit]

Originally Posted by MarioBrothers

If he stop chasing money (pac/floyd) do it legacy wise after his fight with katsidis or was it with el cepilo? He could have gone on to win belts at 140 and 147. Should have been made it as the 1st mexican to win in 5 divisions.

at 140 he could have beaten khan or bradley. At 147, I'm sure he would have beaten berto. He is that good, but you know how it is he chose the money which is also good as he defeated pac in the eyes of the fans but I'm pretty sure if he chose to he could have squeeze a title bout for 140 and 147 while still going the money route. But instead he opted for scrubs like likar ramos and fedchenko which is rather disappointing as a fan. And that 2nd fight with diaz was unnecessary

He has been playing safe because he's more interested in money that a better legacy. What a better resume would that be if it included Khan, Maidana, Ortiz, Bradley, Cotto or Margarito. But I can understand that he is at the twilight of his career, he has to choose money, than better legacy. He has probably realized he's no Roy Jones Jr.

[skoorydookatron]

Originally Posted by Chappy112

That's a bit of a cop out isn't it? If that's the case then Pacquiao lost against Bradley.

Anyone with a brain cell knows that Marquez beat Pacquiao in their 3rd fight.

Wasting your time mate Pac fans are actually incapable of admitting this.

[davebenoit]

Originally Posted by Chappy112

That's a bit of a cop out isn't it? If that's the case then Pacquiao lost against Bradley.

Anyone with a brain cell knows that Marquez beat Pacquiao in their 3rd fight.

Oh, is that the record you can show? You don't anything about boxing.

[saul_ir34]

Originally Posted by davebenoit

You're a Mexican, right?

Yes.

[davebenoit]

Originally Posted by saul_ir34

Yes.

No wonder.