Wladimir Klitschko vs. Rocky Marciano - Page 21

HOUDINI · 12-08-2012, 08:36 PM

Chins don't improve over time and no fighter grows courage. You either have good wiskers or you don't. You either have heart and courage or you don't. Wlad showed three times he has neither. Marciano showed many times that he was blessed with both. A mark of an all time great champion.

SP_Mauler · 12-08-2012, 08:37 PM

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Wlad lost 3 times while he was coming up. After that, he changed his style and has made one of the longest unbeaten streaks a heavyweight has ever done. 8.5 years. Wlad's unbeaten streak has been longer than Marciano's career. During his peak, Wlad has been much better than when he lost against Sanders or Brewster.

HWs aren't big main events anymore. Ok. What does that have anything to do with Wladimir Klitschko? HBO is the company in charge of producing those events. If they can't appeal to the american market, it's their problem.

Exactly,Lost once to a absolutely nobody,Lost again and then again,And he's so great? It proves his correct about his mental strength, After one lose he should have changed but that's not it,The level of competition has decreased dramatically to a point where just about every HW contender will not be remembered.

HW's arent big events because although the public may believe the hype in a fight they want to see a SKILLED fight. Even they see Wladimir is a one dimensional fighter,a flat flooted jabber, who beats up bums who can't last 4 rounds. Exciting. Not. If you can't avoid a jab you're not one tenth a fighter of the past. By the way his jab would be useless against Rocky,His side crouch made it near possible to jab or he would just block it with his right(Which was always near his head) then just goto school.

lufcrazy · 12-09-2012, 07:24 AM

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Tell me,If Wladimir is so full of skill.
How come he lost 3 times to nobody's coming up?
How come since he's become champ,HW's aren't big main events anymore?

The FACT is Marciano is a far greater HW then Wladimir will ever be.

How come he's in the midst of a 6 year reign at the top of the division in one of the best reigns in hw history.

dyna · 12-09-2012, 07:42 AM

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Originally Posted by HOUDINI

Chins don't improve over time and no fighter grows courage. You either have good wiskers or you don't. You either have heart and courage or you don't. Wlad showed three times he has neither. Marciano showed many times that he was blessed with both. A mark of an all time great champion.

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So David Tua is also a glass jawed bum?

HOUDINI · 12-09-2012, 09:19 AM

Never said Wlads a bum. He is just not an all time great fighter..no chin and he cries for his mommy when hurt. Aside from this he does not possess all time great skills.
Wlad = walking statue.

lufcrazy · 12-09-2012, 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by HOUDINI

Never said Wlads a bum. He is just not an all time great fighter..no chin and he cries for his mommy when hurt. Aside from this he does not possess all time great skills.
Wlad = walking statue.

A walking statue who has sat atop the division for a longer period of time than all but a small handful of men.

HOUDINI · 12-09-2012, 10:13 AM

Fighting primarily European crap hwts in the worst era of hwt talent in my lifetime.

dinovelvet · 12-09-2012, 10:15 AM

Nobody cares he's beating an endless string of nobody's. It does not define a great champion. Thats his only claim to being a great fighter. Its sad.
Even Manny acknowledged that his opponents lacked and skill or ambition a few years back and since then they have only gotten worse.

Mayweather could fight giys like Vivian Harris and Paul Maclosky 3 times a year but he wouldn't get an ounce of respect for it.

dyna · 12-09-2012, 10:16 AM

I'm probably getting "trolled" by some guys who are giggling behind their pc right now.

But if Wlad had no heart and no courage, why did he continue after his third upset?
He had totally zero money troubles, he could have liven an easy life.
He came back instead.

lufcrazy · 12-09-2012, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by HOUDINI

Fighting primarily European crap hwts in the worst era of hwt talent in my lifetime.

it takes a great to dominate a division like he has done.

dinovelvet · 12-09-2012, 10:36 AM

He came back to fight old, washed up nobody's. It just doesn't register does it.

HOUDINI · 12-09-2012, 10:37 AM

Does not demonstrate all time great skills. Being able to take a punch, toughness, and the courage not to give up when really hurt are marls of a great champion. He is not tough and looks to the exits when hurt.

lufcrazy · 12-09-2012, 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by HOUDINI

Does not demonstrate all time great skills. Being able to take a punch, toughness, and the courage not to give up when really hurt are marls of a great champion. He is not tough and looks to the exits when hurt.

From the Peter fight we can say this is clearly not true. He got thrice dropped and came back to be on the verges of dropping Peter in the last round.

Since then there's not been a punch that's really bothered him so you're using data from 7 years ago.

It would be like analysing rocky going into his final fight by using data from before he turned pro.

orriray59 · 12-09-2012, 10:43 AM

This thread is full of idiots.

HOUDINI · 12-09-2012, 10:49 AM

No. Watch how badly he was koed those three times. All time greats don't show those characteristics. Down in sections, stumbling all over the ring, obviously not wanting to fight anymore. Being spoke of in the same vein as Ali, Louis and Marciano cannot be easy to attain...the fighter has to show all time great skills and physical and mental fortitude. Only select few are given all time great status and Wlad with those three losses does not justify to be spoke of at that high a level. Really hurt him and he wants to quit.

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HOUDINI Contender ESB Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 647 vCash: 500	Re: Wladimir Klitschko vs. Rocky Marciano Chins don't improve over time and no fighter grows courage. You either have good wiskers or you don't. You either have heart and courage or you don't. Wlad showed three times he has neither. Marciano showed many times that he was blessed with both. A mark of an all time great champion.
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12-09-2012, 09:19 AM	#305
HOUDINI Contender ESB Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 647 vCash: 500	Re: Wladimir Klitschko vs. Rocky Marciano Never said Wlads a bum. He is just not an all time great fighter..no chin and he cries for his mommy when hurt. Aside from this he does not possess all time great skills. Wlad = walking statue.
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12-09-2012, 10:13 AM	#307
HOUDINI Contender ESB Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 647 vCash: 500	Re: Wladimir Klitschko vs. Rocky Marciano Fighting primarily European crap hwts in the worst era of hwt talent in my lifetime.
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12-09-2012, 10:15 AM	#308
dinovelvet Up Top To The Head East Side Guru Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 5,798 vCash: 910	Re: Wladimir Klitschko vs. Rocky Marciano Nobody cares he's beating an endless string of nobody's. It does not define a great champion. Thats his only claim to being a great fighter. Its sad. Even Manny acknowledged that his opponents lacked and skill or ambition a few years back and since then they have only gotten worse. Mayweather could fight giys like Vivian Harris and Paul Maclosky 3 times a year but he wouldn't get an ounce of respect for it.
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12-09-2012, 10:16 AM	#309
dyna Belt holder ESB Addict Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 4,565 vCash: 1551	Re: Wladimir Klitschko vs. Rocky Marciano I'm probably getting "trolled" by some guys who are giggling behind their pc right now. But if Wlad had no heart and no courage, why did he continue after his third upset? He had totally zero money troubles, he could have liven an easy life. He came back instead.
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dinovelvet Up Top To The Head East Side Guru Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 5,798 vCash: 910	Re: Wladimir Klitschko vs. Rocky Marciano He came back to fight old, washed up nobody's. It just doesn't register does it.
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12-09-2012, 10:37 AM	#312
HOUDINI Contender ESB Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 647 vCash: 500	Re: Wladimir Klitschko vs. Rocky Marciano Does not demonstrate all time great skills. Being able to take a punch, toughness, and the courage not to give up when really hurt are marls of a great champion. He is not tough and looks to the exits when hurt.
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12-09-2012, 10:43 AM	#314
orriray59 weird East Side VIP Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: The Green Isle Posts: 13,238 vCash: 82	Re: Wladimir Klitschko vs. Rocky Marciano This thread is full of idiots.
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12-09-2012, 10:49 AM	#315
HOUDINI Contender ESB Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 647 vCash: 500	Re: Wladimir Klitschko vs. Rocky Marciano No. Watch how badly he was koed those three times. All time greats don't show those characteristics. Down in sections, stumbling all over the ring, obviously not wanting to fight anymore. Being spoke of in the same vein as Ali, Louis and Marciano cannot be easy to attain...the fighter has to show all time great skills and physical and mental fortitude. Only select few are given all time great status and Wlad with those three losses does not justify to be spoke of at that high a level. Really hurt him and he wants to quit.
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