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Old 12-09-2012, 07:03 AM   #31
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F'n this.

Nothing to take from JMM's victory, but that post was fricken gushing schoolgirl fandom-ery it almost sounded like a deliberately-penned romanticized eulogy it's embarrassing, hilarious even. Classic IsaL.

Other factors that wasn't even mentioned, but nonetheless equally important: Nacho foremost. Memo. Pac's obvious decline and carelessness.
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Old 12-09-2012, 07:17 AM   #32
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...doesn't change the fact that your little literary attempt was embarrassingly pompom-wielding faggotry.
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Old 12-09-2012, 07:30 AM   #33
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It's not on the money, it's a shitty post. You don't have to disrespect Pac to give JMM his props, and styles make fights. I still want to see Pac fight Mayweather.
I dont understand this either. Why he has to shit on Pac? He delivered a great fight didnt he?

Why TS is ranting about how great JMM is if he think Pacman is a fraud that has cherry picked? It diminishes the value of JMM win.

Great fight, even greater victory for JMM.
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Old 12-09-2012, 11:23 AM   #34
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Congrats Isal. It's a fantastic victory for JMM, Mexico and boxing.

JMM never gave up and he finally reaped the benefits of winning in a convincing fashion
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Old 12-09-2012, 11:41 AM   #35
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Historically, Rivalry, **** you to the Commissions, Organizations, HBO, Bob Arum, and every corrupt official.

But most importantly, it was for his own justice.

Juan Manuel Marquez is an ATG.. He has become a legend, a living legend, especially in Mexico.

But JMM is the type a fighter the Networks, Commissions, and Promoters (like in Marquez' case) exploit. He is a fighter that only the true Hardcore boxing fan can truly appreciate in its full form... The science behind his style, his technique, his ring IQ, only understood by real fans.

So there is not as much investment in him, because there are fighters who are more marketable despite them being lesser fighter, like Ricky Hatton, Miguel Cotto, Manny Pacquiao, etc...

They rob him so he doesn't become a spoiler, they low ball him, because he knows they make the decisions, he has to endure humiliating situations like his disgrace with Chris John, from the pay, to the robbery....

JMM has fought and beat everyone, except for Mayweather. He never ducked anyone. He never said no to a fight because of size, money, testing, etc... He fought young, seasoned, atg's, P4Pers, anyone and everyone...

But Marquez was robbed of early retirement. He knew he had gotten robbed multiple times, and when he realized he was robbed out of pure greed, probably sometime after the 2nd fight, he knew he would do anything to right that wrong.

JMM went on to completely outbox and humiliate Pac in the 3rd fight, and to JMM's surprise he was Robbed, again, despite the schooling administered!

So he gets the 4th fight, and he knows that he has everything against him, including benefit of the doubt, because he needs to perform even better than the 3rd fight. He is also older, he has the judges already against him in his eyes, he knows Bob Arum wants Pac to win because Arum is a greedy ****, and JMM knows Arum is corrupt, in fact he has no doubts about it. JMM understands Pacquiao vs Mayweather needs to be made according to the Boxing industry, he knows its the richest fight ever... His fans are counting on him, he has an entire country on his back, counting on him... Did you see how many were there for JMM? Not the celebrities, but the masses, it was ALL JMM, so it seemed...

He was getting only 6mil, compared to the 26+ MILLION the man he had beat 3 previous times according to him, and me, and most hardcore fans...

So at the ripe old age of 39, he trains on how he was going to finish Pac's career once and for all. There is even a video on how he was going to KO Pacquiao, and he executes the plan to the T. He did to Pac what Pac could never do to him, and what no one through many divisions and many title fights could do, (Yes, most of those were strategically picked by Top Rank to make Pac look amazing) but that is the point, despite him being a cherry pick, he said **** you to Pac, Arum, HBO, the Commissions, and all the corrupt ****s that ruin our sport and he destroyed any idea of the biggest, richest, most lucrative fight ever hyped.... And in the process, he became the King of boxing. Yes, Mayweather is the best of the best as far as skills and talent go, he is the P4P#1, but JMM at #2 is probably very beloved most by those who love this sport and have a passion for it...

Great job champ!!!!!

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Old 12-09-2012, 11:46 AM   #36
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JMM is such a G, he makes me want to be Mexican to feel this victory even more than I do now. HOPEFULLY young fighters coming up in Mexico will attempt to emulate JMM's style, which is just the great science through and through. Hell of a champion. I didn't think he could KO pac like this, it was phenomenal. Yes he was a Cherry pick in the 3rd fight, everyone thought pac would destroy him. But he pretty much wins that fight by putting on a clinic, and yet he loses somehow and people just accept it. Then the 4th fight, Marquez leaves no doubt who is the king of their series.
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lampley was tearing up talking about this very thing
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Old 12-09-2012, 11:48 AM   #38
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but that is the point, despite him being a cherry pick, he said **** you to Pac,
You think, that after Marquez gave Pac one of the hardest fights of his career and imo beating him in the 3rd fight, that this 4th fight was a cherry pick by Pac?

You know, many many fighters, when they meet the fighter that is their kryptonite, avoid subsequent fights with said opponent, ESPECIALLY when that opponent is not a boxing star themselves (as you pointed out yourself, JMM wasnt). They chalk it up to a bad night, wrong opponent, and move on with their career, never giving the guy who ran them to the edge another shot... let alone 4.

Their first fight - tough for Pac
Their 2nd fight - tough for pac
Their 3rd fight - toughest for pac

And you think him choosing to give JMM a 4th fight was a cherry pick?

Pac should be credited with getting into the ring so many times against the guy who is so obviously his foil, in attempts to show the world who can put an (!) on their rivalry.

Instead of having just a small bit of class towards Pac for actually getting in there with a guy everyone with good boxing IQ knows is his foil, you degrade this fight by trying to label Marquez as a cherry pick. Among the many other wrong statements in the initial post.

Pac knew this fight was one of the toughest fights out there for him, he chose to fight the guy again who many felt just beat him.... instead of just turning a blind eye to a controversial chapter in his career as many fighters do when they get controversial decisions.

There was nothing cherry picking about it.
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Old 12-09-2012, 11:48 AM   #39
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Congrats Isal. It's a fantastic victory for JMM, Mexico and boxing.

JMM never gave up and he finally reaped the benefits of winning in a convincing fashion
Not without the help of hogan

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Old 12-09-2012, 11:50 AM   #40
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As for the thread, it is a huge, historic win. The most meaningful victory in a long time imo.

Props to Marquez, a man on a mission. He would not accept anything less.
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Old 12-09-2012, 12:10 PM   #41
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My mind is simply still buzzing from this fight, but its hard to think of a recent win more significant then this one, given the nature of the outcome.
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Old 12-09-2012, 12:17 PM   #42
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Pacquiao is an overrated hypejob who had wins that were strategically picked by Top Rank to make Pac look amazing.

The real hardcore boxing fans know that Pacquiao ain't shit. The only thing Marquez did was he knocked out an over rated fighter. Victory like that doesn't mean much.
That ***** Floyd never got in the ring with Manny... It took a roided up version of JMM to finally dethrone the King!
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Old 12-09-2012, 12:20 PM   #43
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Historically, Rivalry, **** you to the Commissions, Organizations, HBO, Bob Arum, and every corrupt official.

But most importantly, it was for his own justice.

Juan Manuel Marquez is an ATG.. He has become a legend, a living legend, especially in Mexico.

But JMM is the type a fighter the Networks, Commissions, and Promoters (like in Marquez' case) exploit. He is a fighter that only the true Hardcore boxing fan can truly appreciate in its full form... The science behind his style, his technique, his ring IQ, only understood by real fans.

So there is not as much investment in him, because there are fighters who are more marketable despite them being lesser fighter, like Ricky Hatton, Miguel Cotto, Manny Pacquiao, etc...

They rob him so he doesn't become a spoiler, they low ball him, because he knows they make the decisions, he has to endure humiliating situations like his disgrace with Chris John, from the pay, to the robbery....

JMM has fought and beat everyone, except for Mayweather. He never ducked anyone. He never said no to a fight because of size, money, testing, etc... He fought young, seasoned, atg's, P4Pers, anyone and everyone...

But Marquez was robbed of early retirement. He knew he had gotten robbed multiple times, and when he realized he was robbed out of pure greed, probably sometime after the 2nd fight, he knew he would do anything to right that wrong.

JMM went on to completely outbox and humiliate Pac in the 3rd fight, and to JMM's surprise he was Robbed, again, despite the schooling administered!

So he gets the 4th fight, and he knows that he has everything against him, including benefit of the doubt, because he needs to perform even better than the 3rd fight. He is also older, he has the judges already against him in his eyes, he knows Bob Arum wants Pac to win because Arum is a greedy ****, and JMM knows Arum is corrupt, in fact he has no doubts about it. JMM understands Pacquiao vs Mayweather needs to be made according to the Boxing industry, he knows its the richest fight ever... His fans are counting on him, he has an entire country on his back, counting on him... Did you see how many were there for JMM? Not the celebrities, but the masses, it was ALL JMM, so it seemed...

He was getting only 6mil, compared to the 26+ MILLION the man he had beat 3 previous times according to him, and me, and most hardcore fans...

So at the ripe old age of 39, he trains on how he was going to finish Pac's career once and for all. There is even a video on how he was going to KO Pacquiao, and he executes the plan to the T. He did to Pac what Pac could never do to him, and what no one through many divisions and many title fights could do, (Yes, most of those were strategically picked by Top Rank to make Pac look amazing) but that is the point, despite him being a cherry pick, he said **** you to Pac, Arum, HBO, the Commissions, and all the corrupt ****s that ruin our sport and he destroyed any idea of the biggest, richest, most lucrative fight ever hyped.... And in the process, he became the King of boxing. Yes, Mayweather is the best of the best as far as skills and talent go, he is the P4P#1, but JMM at #2 is probably very beloved most by those who love this sport and have a passion for it...

Great job champ!!!!!

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Fantastic post

Marquez is a living legend
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Old 12-09-2012, 12:36 PM   #44
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You think, that after Marquez gave Pac one of the hardest fights of his career and imo beating him in the 3rd fight, that this 4th fight was a cherry pick by Pac?

You know, many many fighters, when they meet the fighter that is their kryptonite, avoid subsequent fights with said opponent, ESPECIALLY when that opponent is not a boxing star themselves (as you pointed out yourself, JMM wasnt). They chalk it up to a bad night, wrong opponent, and move on with their career, never giving the guy who ran them to the edge another shot... let alone 4.

Their first fight - tough for Pac
Their 2nd fight - tough for pac
Their 3rd fight - toughest for pac

And you think him choosing to give JMM a 4th fight was a cherry pick?

Pac should be credited with getting into the ring so many times against the guy who is so obviously his foil, in attempts to show the world who can put an (!) on their rivalry.

Instead of having just a small bit of class towards Pac for actually getting in there with a guy everyone with good boxing IQ knows is his foil, you degrade this fight by trying to label Marquez as a cherry pick. Among the many other wrong statements in the initial post.

Pac knew this fight was one of the toughest fights out there for him, he chose to fight the guy again who many felt just beat him.... instead of just turning a blind eye to a controversial chapter in his career as many fighters do when they get controversial decisions.

There was nothing cherry picking about it.
8 years... Don't act like its not strange that out of all 3 fights that went 12, NONE went in favor of JMM, despite him performing better... "Sorry Juan, it's just business".... -Bob Arum

If you can't see how Pac's opponents were extremely carefully picked after all these years, then I don't know what to say to you...

They always waited on JMM to get old, but JMM refused to get old because since 2004 all JMM had been after was that W against Pac. 8 years of JMM chasing Pacquiao and getting low balled... He even had to go to the PI to chase after a rematch... Had this gone to the score cards, based on the other fights, its likely JMM would have gotten ripped off again.

Was JMM a cherry pick? The time they waited for the rematches definitely was. And this made the victory that much sweeter... Old man JMM went in there on e again with the better plan, but this time Pacquiao did not have the help from the judges...

Congrats JMM!
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8 years... Don't act like its not strange that out of all 3 fights that went 12, NONE went in favor of JMM, despite him performing better... "Sorry Juan, it's just business".... -Bob Arum
Nothing to do with my post

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If you can't see how Pac's opponents were extremely carefully picked after all these years, then I don't know what to say to you...
Nothing to do with my post, in fact.... its so far off the radar it literally has nothing to do with anything ive said.

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They always waited on JMM to get old, but JMM refused to get old because since 2004 all JMM had been after was that W against Pac. 8 years of JMM chasing Pacquiao and getting low balled... He even had to go to the PI to chase after a rematch... Had this gone to the score cards, based on the other fights, its likely JMM would have gotten ripped off again.
You are missing the point and being over emotional about this. Fair enough, it was quite an emotional night, for myself too as a boxing fan. But you are missing the point. Its not about that Marquez could have gotten ripped off again, its about this wasnt a cherry pick.... and Pac deserves credit for even making this epic rivalry happen, when many fighters like to look the other way of their kryptonite. Pac not only didnt look the other way, he went at it.... again, again, and again.

You feeling the need to spin that, and twist it into a negative says something.

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Was JMM a cherry pick? The time they waited for the rematches definitely was.
This fight was one year after Marquez beat Pac in the eyes of many.

One year.

You want to talk about how the third fight was a cherry pick? By all means I will be quiet on that. But once it was shown that Marquez is still very much alive, and still very much Pacs peer, if not moreso, in that third fight..... for Pac to be beaten in the eyes of so many and to come back the following year to face the same guy to settle it, instead of just waiting for the Rios fight, is a credit to Pac. Any spinning of this is just dishonor to the beautiful, historic night that just happened.

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And this made the victory that much sweeter... Old man JMM went in there on e again with the better plan, but this time Pacquiao did not have the help from the judges...

Congrats JMM!
Indeed.... congrats to JMM and to his fans that have supported him
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