Let's talk P4P

[BremnerBomber]

Originally Posted by Collie

Marquez win over Pacquaio is greater than anything Mayweather has done in recent years.

No it isn't

Mayweather in the last 3 years (which I would say is pretty recent history) Hatton, JMM, Mosley, Ortiz, Cotto which is pretty much the list of who's who of the 140-147 weight classes

Marquez is great against Manny....but does he beat the top 147 guys?

[jyuza]

Originally Posted by Nay_Sayer

LOL....

Really?

Can you tell us why?

Yes I can. But I won't bother.

[eviltaker10]

Amir Khan
Mayweather
Martinez
Ward
Marquez
Manny
Broner

[eviltaker10]

Amir Khan
Mayweather
Martinez
Ward
Marquez
Manny
Broner

[Nay_Sayer]

Originally Posted by Collie

The problem is how far back do you go in these lists?

And I think it is pretty obvious the Marquez of the Pacquaio fight last night was a better version than the out-of-shape Marquez jumping up the weight-classes vs Mayweather. Not saying he would beat ayweather now, but styles make fights.

Its all opinion of course, I can see why people might have either Mayweather or Marquez number 1.

LOL...

The Marquez that Pacquiao faced last night is also 3 years OLDER than the Marquez that Mayweather faced.

You Pactards need to stop. There is absolutely NO LOGICAL JUSTIFICATION for ranking JMM ahead of Mayweather P4P.

If Marquez is truly the new P4P champ, lets see if he calls out Floyd...

[Nay_Sayer]

Originally Posted by jyuza

Yes I can. But I won't bother.

I know.

Pactards don't like making sound reasoned arguments...

[Royal-T-Bag]

1. Floyd Mayweather JR
4. Juan Manuel Marquez
3. Andre Ward
4. Sergio Martinez
5. Manny Pacquaio
6. Wlad Klitschko
7. Nonito Donaire
8. Timothy Bradley
9. Yuriorkis Gamboa
10. Abner Mares

[jyuza]

Originally Posted by Nay_Sayer

I know.

Pactards don't like making sound reasoned arguments...

What the fuck are you talking about ?? I am glad that marquez won the way he did, How does that make me a pactard ?

[Uncle Roger]

1. Mayweather
2. Ward
3. Martinez
4. Marquez
5. WK
6. Donaire
7. Bradley
8. Pac
9. Mares
10. Broner

[Daft P]

1. Mayweather
2. Marquez
3. Ward
4. Martinez
5. Donaire
6. Pacquiao
7. Klitschko
8. Bradley
9. Mares
10. Froch

[BremnerBomber]

Ward is way too high on these lists

[megavolt]

Originally Posted by irishny

Eh, Pacquiao runs into a huge shot in a close fight with the guy you rank no.2 and suddenly hes not even top 10 anymore.

You've Bradley there who Pacquiao should have a w over.

I had Pac one spot ahead of Bradley (#4) before he got KTFO

Whoever gets ktfo tends to get taken off the list. Barrera was taken off when he was beaten by pac. Hamed was taken off post Barrera. Jones was taken off post Tarver II. Williams post Martinez II etc etc don't let the love for your hero cloud your judgement

[Augustane]

Originally Posted by Uncle Roger

1. Mayweather
2. Ward
3. Martinez
4. Marquez
5. WK
6. Donaire
7. Bradley
8. Pac
9. Mares
10. Broner

There is no way in hell that Pac is below Bradley.

The Pac of last night would've annihilated Bradley.

Marquez should be ranked above Ward and below Martinez IMO. He's really cemented his place as a great.

[jyuza]

Originally Posted by BremnerBomber

Ward is way too high on these lists

Definitely. I didn't think his win over a weight drained Dawson would rocket him to the top 3 of most of the lists. Maybe I should reconsider my P4P standards.

[Dece Bal]

Originally Posted by McGrain

If you don't rank Floyd then Marquez should be #1.

If you do, then he should be #2.

correct