Wladimir Klitschko vs. Rocky Marciano

[orriray59]

Originally Posted by HOUDINI

He has no chin and quits when things get really tough.

Things got pretty fucking tough after his three KO losses, yet he didn't quit.

How many times are you going to spew this idiotic, cliched bullshit before you realize it simply isn't true?

[lufcrazy]

Originally Posted by dinovelvet

He hasn't achieved greatness. You're extremely naive , dumb or in denial. He never beat anybody close to being great, or even a HOFer so he has NEVER been proven at elite level. . Greatness doesn't come with limited skills, no inside game and no adaptablity with 3 brutal ko loses to nobody's. It feels like im explaining this to a child.

What woulld Vladdy do if he got his nose split wide open from a punch? Do you think he'd go out guns blazing and score a ko victory? No, he would be helicopter'd out of there to the nearest hospital.

Marciano was the very essence of boxing who's classic fights will never be forgotten. Show me a Wlad fight that matches up to the likes of Walcott, Lastraza or Charles. Show me any exciting Wlad fight.
Make me laugh?

what a shit circular argument. If you have to beat a great to be great there would never be any greats.

Wlad isn't exciting, he's boringly dominant

few in history suffer 3 knockouts and go on to dominate a division in such a way. Very few have demonstrated that level of mental fortitude.

[orriray59]

Originally Posted by lufcrazy

what a shit circular argument. If you have to beat a great to be great there would never be any greats.

Wlad isn't exciting, he's boringly dominant

few in history suffer 3 knockouts and go on to dominate a division in such a way. Very few have demonstrated that level of mental fortitude.

Don't bother, luf. I think they've made it clear they won't listen.

[rusak]

Originally Posted by dinovelvet

He hasn't achieved greatness. You're extremely naive , dumb or in denial. He never beat anybody close to being great, or even a HOFer so he has NEVER been proven at elite level. . Greatness doesn't come with limited skills, no inside game and no adaptablity with 3 brutal ko loses to nobody's. It feels like im explaining this to a child.

What woulld Vladdy do if he got his nose split wide open from a punch? Do you think he'd go out guns blazing and score a ko victory? No, he would be helicopter'd out of there to the nearest hospital.

Marciano was the very essence of boxing who's classic fights will never be forgotten. Show me a Wlad fight that matches up to the likes of Walcott, Lastraza or Charles. Show me any exciting Wlad fight.
Make me laugh?

Brutal KO losses? Vlad was never unconscious. He was never unable to get to his feet. There was nothing brutal about the Puritty loss, if anything it was a premature stoppage. And Vlad did avenge the loss to Brewster. Sanders was by far his worst loss but Sanders was a big, hard-hitting southpaw with fast hands.

[dinovelvet]

I didn't say he had to beat a great. Nobody on his CV is even close to HOF worthy. He has NEVER been proven at elite level, ever. To argure against this fact makes you look foolish.

He dominated against over 40's , washed up bottom feeders , it doesn't matter.

Im telling it how it is. You are naive, uneducated or in denial.

[HOUDINI]

Watch the fights again...Wlad went down in sections, falling all over the ring looking as if he was crying for his mommy. For Gods sake he was koed and looked as if he wanted to quit against Ross Purity..a complete bum.

[orriray59]

Originally Posted by dinovelvet

I didn't say he had to beat a great. Nobody on his CV is even close to HOF worthy. He has NEVER been proven at elite level, ever. To argure against this fact makes you look foolish.

He dominated against over 40's , washed up bottom feeders , it doesn't matter.

Im telling it how it is. You are naive, uneducated or in denial.

I didn't the argue that point, though. I actually agreed with you.

[dinovelvet]

It was meant for Lufcrazy.

[orriray59]

Originally Posted by dinovelvet

I didn't say he had to beat a great. Nobody on his CV is even close to HOF worthy. He has NEVER been proven at elite level, ever. To argure against this fact makes you look foolish.

He dominated against over 40's , washed up bottom feeders , it doesn't matter.

Im telling it how it is. You are naive, uneducated or in denial.

Wasn't Marciano dominating older men and washed up fighters, also?

[dinovelvet]

No,

[rusak]

Originally Posted by orriray59

Wasn't Marciano dominating older men and washed up fighters, also?

Old cruiserweight runts with shaky chins. This while wearing 6 ounce gloves. Can you imagine what would happen to Marcy Anna's little head if Vlad dropped the bomb on him wearing 6 ounce gloves?

[rusak]

Originally Posted by dinovelvet

I didn't say he had to beat a great. Nobody on his CV is even close to HOF worthy. He has NEVER been proven at elite level, ever. To argure against this fact makes you look foolish.

He dominated against over 40's , washed up bottom feeders , it doesn't matter.

Im telling it how it is. You are naive, uneducated or in denial.

Horseshit. Haye, Chambers, Peter, Chagaev, Byrd, etc. were in their primes and they were not bottom feeders by any means.

[rusak]

Originally Posted by HOUDINI

Watch the fights again...Wlad went down in sections, falling all over the ring looking as if he was crying for his mommy. For Gods sake he was koed and looked as if he wanted to quit against Ross Purity..a complete bum.

So there's no difference to you between gassing and being knocked unconscious?

[fists of fury]

Guys, about their respective height and reach...one must remember that Tyson in terms of dimensions was barely bigger than Rocky, standing a listed (and disputed) 5'11" with a 72" reach, which when you consider is measured from wingtip to wingtip, with Tyson being a little broader around the shoulders than Rocky, is not significantly more than Marciano's 67". It's actually quite surprising how insignificant that 5" really is, all things considered.
Tyson never had a problem reaching guys 6'5", 6'6" or whatever.

Of course, Tyson and Rocky have completely different physical characteristics and different styles so I'm not saying that Marciano would be as effective against huge guys, but I am suggesting that it's not as if Rocky literally could not reach Wlad's chin.

[rusak]

Originally Posted by fists of fury

Guys, about their respective height and reach...one must remember that Tyson in terms of dimensions was barely bigger than Rocky, standing a listed (and disputed) 5'11" with a 72" reach, which when you consider is measured from wingtip to wingtip, with Tyson being a little broader around the shoulders than Rocky, is not significantly more than Marciano's 67". It's actually quite surprising how insignificant that 5" really is, all things considered.
Tyson never had a problem reaching guys 6'5", 6'6" or whatever.

Of course, Tyson and Rocky have completely different physical characteristics and different styles so I'm not saying that Marciano would be as effective against huge guys, but I am suggesting that it's not as if Rocky literally could not reach Wlad's chin.

Marciano doesn't have the foot speed and explosiveness. He doesn't have a Michael Jordan-like first step to be able to time Vlad and jump inside on him. Tyson wasn't a slow-rolling pressure fighter like Marciano.

And stop trying to minimize the size difference between Marciano and Tyson. Their height and reach might have been similar but that's about it. Tyson was more heavily muscled, while being faster than Marciano. Tyson was a solid 215-220 at 22 years old. Marciano actually weighed in under 180 several times at 25-26.