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Old 12-10-2012, 09:03 AM   #16
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wondered why after the fight it was announced as a tko win and not a ko ??
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Old 12-10-2012, 09:07 AM   #17
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I guess the right hand that put Pac on his ass was a lucky punch too, so was the one that hurt Pac in the 5th, so was the one that put down the sparring partner 3 weeks ago.

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Great examinations. He also stopped Casamayor with a right hand in a gif I couldn't find.

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No, it wasn't a lucky punch, it was a greatly timed punch - the luck about it was that Pacquiao left his chin open at a time when Marquez was really struggling - it was a life saver of an opportunity and it's lucky it arrived at that time. But the punch itself was brilliantly executed and timed.

Pacquiao looked far from shot - Pacquiao is not the first champion to take a punch like this. Look at Lennox Lewis against Rahman who is far inferior or Paul Wililams against Sergio. If you're off balance, falling forward with your chin exposed and someone bangs you with a punch you don't see you're down, no matter how good you are or how good your chin is.

Pacquiao looked far from a finished fighter, apart from the reckless wild punch that lead to his KO, it was almost vintage Pacquiao and Marquez was struggling big time

But the KO can have psychological effects - Pacquiao can go the way of Cotto or the way of Lennox Lewis
Pacquiao is mentally strong in the ring but these past years I've always questioned his desire of the sport. Not to say he would be impressive against Mosley and Bradley circa 08-09 but he would've tried harder for sure. Thing he should beat Rios and hang em up if not do it right now.

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Who is better - Pac or JMM - is kind of a dull debate. They both offer something different but equally great, however, I think Manny's career achievements clearly surpass those of JMM.

Pac is a full-time boxer, he's one of the most consistent and active around. Just because he has interests outside doesn't automatically mean they are detrimental to his boxing career. All fighters who reach a certain level of success have external interests. At least Pac has Arum to do the legwork.

Can see Manny still being ahead of JMM(Barrera and Cotto wins) but H2H I gotta go with Marquez. I still thank them for an entertaining series that I feel should've ended last night. Wish they both retire honestly and have their health intact.
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Old 12-10-2012, 09:16 AM   #18
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IIRC the 144 catchweight was a JMM camp demand, might be wrong though.
No they went on compromise with that. They would prefer it at 135-140, but since Pac is a welterweight fighter they were forced to compromise
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Old 12-10-2012, 09:18 AM   #19
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H2H Marquez is definately better. But boxing history will definately rate Pac higher when it comes to accomplishments
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Old 12-10-2012, 09:26 AM   #20
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H2H Marquez is definately better. But boxing history will definately rate Pac higher when it comes to accomplishments
Case with many greats. Norton had the better of Ali head to head, no doubt. Holyfield the better of Tyson but Tyson will always be rated higher. Foreman the better of Frazier but Frazier probably rated higher...stylistically you will likely always meet your match. And for Pacquiao, read Marquez.
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Old 12-10-2012, 11:35 AM   #21
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Great examinations. He also stopped Casamayor with a right hand in a gif I couldn't find.

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Old 12-10-2012, 11:43 AM   #22
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First of all, props to Marquez for that very impressive KO win over Pac. Honestly, I was shocked and I know for a fact that the whole world felt the same way. My question is... "Does (Pac/JMM-4) fight prove that Marquez is better than Pac? I'm not trying to be a pactard here but I think that they are really evenly matched. It just happened that Marquez got that punch (should I say lucky punch?) landed, which ended the fight.

I think Pac needs to make a crucial decision at this moment, be a full time boxer or just retire from boxing. I don't think Pac is shot (watch the 4th round). If he decides to fight again, I want Pac/Marquez 5. That 4th round is a flashback of the young Pacman and Marquez.
What can I say....the fight was epic. It encompassed everything a truly great fight has. Two great fighters...a Great rivalry.... Lots of skills...lots of action, knockdowns, blood, broken bones and a climactic come from behind KO that sealed the deal.

What more can you ask for from a fight of this magnitude.
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Old 12-13-2012, 01:26 PM   #23
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Marquez was getting busted up and looked like he was the one going to be stopped.
Doesnt matter. He was looking for a hard counterpunch this time and not a points decision so he can get screwed again
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Old 12-13-2012, 02:04 PM   #24
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Doesnt matter. He was looking for a hard counterpunch this time and not a points decision so he can get screwed again

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First of all, props to Marquez for that very impressive KO win over Pac. Honestly, I was shocked and I know for a fact that the whole world felt the same way. My question is... "Does (Pac/JMM-4) fight prove that Marquez is better than Pac? I'm not trying to be a pactard here but I think that they are really evenly matched. It just happened that Marquez got that punch (should I say lucky punch?) landed, which ended the fight.

I think Pac needs to make a crucial decision at this moment, be a full time boxer or just retire from boxing. I don't think Pac is shot (watch the 4th round). If he decides to fight again, I want Pac/Marquez 5. That 4th round is a flashback of the young Pacman and Marquez.
It proves that both of thse guys are 50/50 against each other. While Pacquiao was winning the 4th fight, it was still a 50/50 affair till the finishing punch landed. By winning decisively, Marquez definitely proves he's better to the public for now. In my view, these guys will always bring a 50/50 type of fight. Hard for me to consider anyone better than the other, they're both on the same level to me.
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Old 12-13-2012, 03:06 PM   #26
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**** you Doc, that KO doesnt resemble the 6th rd KO. The Pac KO was a well timed counter and he sat on it. The gif you just showed was Juan fighting a glassjawed bum.
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Old 12-13-2012, 03:10 PM   #27
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It proves that both of thse guys are 50/50 against each other. While Pacquiao was winning the 4th fight, it was still a 50/50 affair till the finishing punch landed. By winning decisively, Marquez definitely proves he's better to the public for now. In my view, these guys will always bring a 50/50 type of fight. Hard for me to consider anyone better than the other, they're both on the same level to me.
The 4th fight doesnt clearly define who really won the last 3 fights. end of.
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Old 12-13-2012, 04:19 PM   #28
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My opinion is that is was the best result I could have hoped for, I loved seeing JMM spark pac out like that, its been a long time coming... I only pray that the same thing happens to floyd before he retires.

As I said when it happened... 1 scumbag piece of shit down, 1 to go
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Old 12-13-2012, 04:29 PM   #29
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Marquez was getting busted up and looked like he was the one going to be stopped.
Those words hold zero importance... but these ones do.... KO 6
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Old 12-13-2012, 04:35 PM   #30
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It proves that both of thse guys are 50/50 against each other. While Pacquiao was winning the 4th fight, it was still a 50/50 affair till the finishing punch landed. By winning decisively, Marquez definitely proves he's better to the public for now. In my view, these guys will always bring a 50/50 type of fight. Hard for me to consider anyone better than the other, they're both on the same level to me.
This post confirms you cannot be taken serious were pacquiao is concerned, and change that avater to a pacquiao one ffs, your not fooling anyone
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