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View Poll Results: Juan Manuel Marquez: Great fighter or All-Time Great fighter?
Yes, I consider him to be an ATG 35 53.85%
No, he's just very good. 30 46.15%
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Old 12-10-2012, 09:20 AM   #346
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Too many question marks over his wins against Barrera and Casamayor
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Old 12-10-2012, 09:24 AM   #347
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Da ****?
You didn't think it was a very close fight before the ko? And Casamayor was well past it.
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Old 12-10-2012, 09:29 AM   #348
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You didn't think it was a very close fight before the ko?


Won the event?
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Old 12-10-2012, 09:31 AM   #349
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Nobody gets a free pass at ATG great status. The meaning of the term is lost around here. And it took him 4 fights and over 40 rounds to do it.
40 rounds of which he won about 30 of them, before decapitating said opponent
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Old 12-10-2012, 09:32 AM   #350
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Won the event?
Struggled with Past it Cassamyor then blow's Manny away 3-4 years later when he failed to do it over 36 rounds in the past.
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Old 12-10-2012, 10:13 AM   #351
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He was behind on the cards when he stopped Pacquiao, too
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Old 12-10-2012, 10:20 AM   #352
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This is a re-post because I can't find the original thread entitled "Thoughts on the Pacquiao/Marquaz fight":

Mike Tyson has recently tweeted: "The strong will always overpower the weak; the smart will always overpower the strong."

Yes, Márquez was bigger. But Pacquiao became a household name the planet over by destroying bigger men.

Márquez delivered a master class in the Sweet Science: neutralizing boxing's biggest left cross using anticipation and distance, avoiding annihilation from hydrogen bombs by ducking and counterpunching, and cherishing the right hand as the champion's authority, infusing it with wonderful versatility and thus making it the game changer on a special night for boxing.

Pacquiao came to war. He has been boxing's biggest name in this awesome 21st century, which has seen it nearly all. He made the sport riveting, compelling, pushing the limits of the impossible in conquering 10 world titles in 8 different weight classes. At his peak, his name was routinely mentioned alongside those of Ali, Duran and the Sugar Man.

Of his opponents, Márquez had become the Pac Man's Joe Frazier, his Moby ****, his Everest, over 36 searing rounds.

In Superfight 4, Manny was venomous, deploying his trademark shredder offense of speed and cluster bombs, his optimism and composure, all the qualities were there. And his opponent knew it, resorting to tentativeness akin to survival mode.

But the aging fighter was thinking, not panicking. Fueled by a lifetime longing for the recognition due his greatness, he had come to his final showdown with several secret weapons, all in the right hand.

In Round 3, it found its mark in the form of a long, wide right hook which, in a second, placed the battle on a whole, new path: the Pac Man had been flung to the canvas, and, as I recall his dazed look on his stool at round's end, in hindsight it can be said it was the first terrible nail in the coffin.

The Pac Man came back, gobbling points, slashing his 39-year-old foe, flooring him, bloodying him, for split-seconds diminishing him to slow-motion, faltering legs, a proud, stubborn man with the bruised, red-mask look of imminent defeat.

But the Mexican warrior stayed calm. He knew he had come to have to go through hell to reach his beloved goal. He had paid, no, enjoyed the price of success, and, suddenly, without warning, came payback time.

The grueling hours, years, decades of solitary work were suddenly embodied in a perfectly-timed, tight right hand, that shot out to meet an onrushing, furious Pacquiao. Shockingly, unbelievably, the iconic giant killer stopped cold and crashed forward, never to respond to the 10-count dramatically tolled over his corpse-like form.

Boxing won tonight, in a clash reminiscent of the fabled wars of yore.

And the better of the two men won tonight, judges and yak be damned!
Posts like this are what I relish. Not only in Classic as they are more frequent but in general. Well done.

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He's verging dangerously close to a pass based upon his longevity. Beating Pacquiao at his age is no joke.
6 yrs his elder at a weight he never looked impressive at.(3rd was at 144 which is impressive he looked great at 144 and 147 though against a recognisable rival)

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Struggled with Past it Cassamyor then blow's Manny away 3-4 years later when he failed to do it over 36 rounds in the past.
He still knocked them out and beat Manny at a weight Manny was suppose to be more comfortable out.

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40 rounds of which he won about 30 of them, before decapitating said opponent
Correct.
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Old 12-10-2012, 10:21 AM   #353
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Yeah he's got to be considered top 100 now. What a fight saturday by the way, reallly wanted Manny to win and im avoiding GF for a few days but it was well worth staying up for.
I think Manny should hang them up now.
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Old 12-10-2012, 10:30 AM   #354
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I think another fight with Marquez is on the cards tbh.
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Old 12-10-2012, 10:43 AM   #355
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Yeah he's got to be considered top 100 now. What a fight saturday by the way, reallly wanted Manny to win and im avoiding GF for a few days but it was well worth staying up for.
I think Manny should hang them up now.
I'm still numb with shock

But saying that i've always been a massive fan of JMM & now at last he has stepped out of the shadows of MAB & Eric.

I don't think Manny will want to hang them up yet & end his career on a Hattonesque note, it's all down to whether Marquez will risk his legacy in a 5th fight which again is gonna be 50/50.
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Old 12-10-2012, 10:46 AM   #356
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I think another fight with Marquez is on the cards tbh.
He's climbed the mountain! But will JMM risk falling off the summit! Expect the challenge to come out soon, it'll be a PPv blockbuster & Arum will bait the hook plenty.
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Old 12-10-2012, 10:55 AM   #357
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There is nowhere for Marquez to get that kind of money except with Pacquiao. Unless he fights Mayweather again.
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Old 12-10-2012, 10:59 AM   #358
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There is nowhere for Marquez to get that kind of money except with Pacquiao. Unless he fights Mayweather again.

Cant see any other outcome in that one.
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Old 12-10-2012, 11:02 AM   #359
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he has a very solid resume but it's not quite ATG stuff

putting Bradley on it wouldn't change that either

It's the perfect moment to draw the curtain
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Old 12-10-2012, 01:14 PM   #360
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Hall of Famer yes. ATG? That doesn't get handed out unless it's something very special.

Does he compare with Duran? Robinson? Louis? Armstrong? Pep? Ali?

No.
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