Do you think JMM was on something?

[Manila]

Originally Posted by klion22

I'm not here to degrade JMM. I'm just asking an honest question. Given the circumstances, what do you think?

Obviously YES. No human being gets big shoulders and a ripped, shredded torso as he gets close to 40 years old, when he has never had these before. It's artificial.

And he has landed huge, clean shots to Pacquiao's face before, with no result whatsoever. It can't be natural that there was such an insanely massive difference this time, it just can't.

[Smokin' Joe]

Originally Posted by klion22

That's plausible if it's true that JMM didn't do any type of strength conditioning prior to getting his new fitness guy.

It is true, unless you want to count throwing rocks as effective strenght training.

His training methods were notoriously antiquated.

[TroubleLurks]

No. JMM is one of the best counter punchers ever. Pac got caught. Period.

[elchivito]

No, but he opened a spicy can of whoop ass with Mexican flavor for Manny.

[klion22]

I just think that the PED world is so much ahead of the testing world that most guys can get away with using some type of illegal substance. I'm not a Pac or JMM fan but how can anyone just completely rule out the possibility given the circumstances? He hired a known cheat who cheated the testing programs in the past and gave olympic athletes PEDs. And he works with JMM and JMM's body is transformed? Of course, if it's true that he never did the type strength training that he's doing now, it's absolutely possible for his body to look like that. But the guy is 39 and still looks fast and strong. I just think you can't just rule out the possibility.

[Smokin' Joe]

Originally Posted by Manila

Obviously YES. No human being gets big shoulders and a ripped, shredded torso as he gets close to 40 years old, when he has never had these before. It's artificial.

And he has landed huge, clean shots to Pacquiao's face before, with no result whatsoever. It can't be natural that there was such an insanely massive difference this time, it just can't.

Jones Jr - Tarver.


Jones wins a MD, without being badly hurt at any point of the fight.

6 months later, gets brutally KTFO in 2 rounds by Tarver.



Explain.

[Clydebank Blitz]

I hate when people mention PEDs anyways, especially the fighters. A fighter should be confident that their skills are so good, that nobody can beat them. They shouldnt be worrying about their opponents, but more their own skillset. If your opponent is too fast and too strong because he's on PEDs, shouldnt you be working your gameplan around this instead of taking to twitter and moaning about it? A champion should try and beat everyone. Marquez was on PEDs? Well you should have still protected yourself against the punch Pacman (I know Pac didnt say he was...you know what I mean ).

Great knockout, you deserved it JMM!

[Spitfire7]

Would've answered a "maybe" but having none on the above given choices, gotta go with a tentative "yes" if only for the presence of the name-changing chameleon and certified PEDs chemist extraordinaire Memo..

[klion22]

Originally Posted by Spitfire7

Would've answered a "maybe" but having none on the above given choices, gotta go with a tentative "yes" if only for the presence of the name-changing chameleon and certified PEDs chemist extraordinaire Memo..

Exactly. That's the primary reason why i am at least not ruling out the possibility. Because of Heredia. I can see that you also read the long article about him in that other thread and so did i.

[Clydebank Blitz]

11 people saying yes is what's terrible about this site.

Marquez does the impossible and KOs Pacquiao....people say he was on steroids...

What's funny is that you're all the same faggots that would have defended Pac against the Mayweather fans attacking him with meaningless accusations for years...and now you do the exact same thing with Marquez? You don't deserve to have someone like Pacman to follow.

[Smokin' Joe]

Originally Posted by Clydebank Blitz

11 people saying yes is what's terrible about this site.

Marquez does the impossible and KOs Pacquiao....people say he was on steroids...

What's funny is that you're all the same faggots that would have defended Pac against the Mayweather fans attacking him with meaningless accusations for years...and now you do the exact same thing with Marquez? You don't deserve to have someone like Pacman to follow.

Well there is a certain percentage there that think PED use is very common in boxing and they're entitled to their opinion. But the majority are just looking for excuses.

[Sheikh]

yes how was he able to take punches margarito and cotto couldnt? also how was he able to hurt pac and ko him like that when bigger guys like Clottey, margarito and cotto couldnt?

[turbina]

I won't go as far to say yes, but it wouldn't surprise me one bit.

I think some sort of juice is a lot more common then anyone things in this sport with almost all the top fighters doing some borderline sketchy shit.

[Bald_Toad]

marquez is extremely suspicious. his trainer is an admitted drug smuggler and has admitted that his clients could pass any test out there.

anyone that doesnt find his behavior suspicious, is simply a primitive troll and should not be allowed to enter serious discussion, or they could possibly too damn dumb to think for themselves

[#Tremendous]

Originally Posted by Sheikh

yes how was he able to take punches margarito and cotto couldnt? also how was he able to hurt pac and ko him like that when bigger guys like Clottey, margarito and cotto couldnt?

How was Kirkland able to take Julio and Angulo's hard punches but couldn't take one punch from Ishida?