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Old 12-10-2012, 02:55 PM   #16
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Marquez short circuited Mannys brains with a solid right hand counter.

It had more to do with JMM's boxing ability than anything he had in his system.
Indeed, Marquez fought as he always does and looked confused/troubled in the first two rounds with Pacquiao's changes.
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Old 12-10-2012, 02:56 PM   #17
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I wonder why so few people noticed that, Pac looked the best i had seen in a very long time.
That said i also noticed quite early on that JMM had a completely different gameplan, he had no intention whatsoever trying to compete on the rounds.
yeah he was going for bombs not combos like usual.but working with that dude is shaddy as **** still atleast he has stopped drinking his own ****
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Old 12-10-2012, 02:56 PM   #18
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How can anyone rule out the possibility that he might be using given his involvement with Heredia? PED use is the norm today, not the exception. Athletes just aren't getting caught because drugs aren't being detected in the tests.
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Old 12-10-2012, 02:57 PM   #19
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Na same could be said about Floyd and Hopkins. They were looking ripped after 35. Plus Jmm is a short, stocky dude. He's always had big shoulders if anything he looks more ripped, more defined. But to be honest with or without them Pacman should of blasted him out yrs ago. Marquez is 39 yrs ffs.
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Old 12-10-2012, 02:58 PM   #20
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Not really. If you work with a convicted drugs cheat, you bring it on yourself. Suspicion is only natural. Not saying jmm is on peds, but it is suspicious.
Definitely and I can't argue otherwise. Still, Marquez barely looked supernatural for me to believe that. If anything, he was the one in serious trouble numerous times in this fight, cut and bleeding heavily.
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Old 12-10-2012, 02:58 PM   #21
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It's not about just gains, its about functional gains.

There's a difference.
Marquez looked slower and more unbalanced and was getting punished like never before before the stoppage. He had a broken nose and concussion. He looked tired aswell.


Looks like what happens when you do heavy lifting sacrificing ability and stamina for power to me.
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Old 12-10-2012, 02:59 PM   #22
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Old 12-10-2012, 02:59 PM   #23
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Sergio Martinez, Bernard Hopkins, Carl Froch etc.

Where's the suspicion there?

Thought the times held itself to a higher standard than this.

But it's alright, Manny is loved and people are trying to find a way to reason it out.
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Old 12-10-2012, 02:59 PM   #24
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Pretty much all top fighters are on PED's these days anyway.
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Old 12-10-2012, 03:00 PM   #25
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If Marquez was juicing, why not put on a bit more muscle to match Pac at 146-147? Don't tell me speed--Marquez is a counter-puncher and relies primarily on timing and intelligence. Marquez's stature reeks of... legitimacy.
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Old 12-10-2012, 03:00 PM   #26
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Marquez short circuited Mannys brains with a solid right hand counter.

It had more to do with JMM's boxing ability than anything he had in his system.
Landing that shot had everything to do with Marquez's boxing ability and incredible physiological reaction times to certain punches and movements, but the effect of the punch would definitely be increased by anabolic steroids. Just like how Bonds started hitting the ball further on average during his home runs in his late 30s, it gives you unnatural strength and if you're training sports-specific for explosiveness and power, you're going to see big increases there also. That said, I'd guess Pacquiao has been supplied and used performance enhancers in the past courtesy of Alex Ariza. These trainers have easy access to PEDs. Hell, I could send anybody on here a PM with emails/product-lists of a number of suppliers. They're not that hard to find. And I trust Conte's word that it's rampant over naive fans who don't think it is.
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Pretty much all top athletes are on PED's these days anyway.
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NY times have been suspicious of Pacquiao for last 5 yrs.
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Marquez looked slower and more unbalanced and was getting punished like never before before the stoppage. He had a broken nose and concussion. He looked tired aswell.


Looks like what happens when you do heavy lifting sacrificing ability and stamina for power to me.
rjj kept saying this
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Old 12-10-2012, 03:02 PM   #30
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Marquez has got better over a few fights at 140 or above the 1st time being back in 2009 then what 2 years later people talk as if he was a runt 1 training camp then a tank.

How anyone can think this isn't sufficient time to put on good lean muscle is beyond me.
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