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Old 12-10-2012, 03:14 PM   #76
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You get the overriding feeling that if it wasn't Pacquiao on the end of this, there wouldn't be a word about it. Can understand that in a way, he's a likable guy, but it's not justification for accusing a fighter.
Pac got plenty of shit when he put Hatton to bed, JMM has stagged Pac before..but that's completely different than going to sleep. I'm not saying JMM is definitely on something, but I'm a little suspicious
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Old 12-10-2012, 03:24 PM   #77
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What bother me is that Marquez said in the interview that those muscle didn't help him. That answer really sounds suspicious to me. If he trained hard for them, then he would have been proud and said "yes", it made a difference.
Great point, I was thinking the same thing. He really sounded like a guilty man pretending to be innocent.

Of course it could be a coincidence. Marquez is a great fighter, regardless. But there's a million strength coaches to choose from - why pick the one who got paid to help athletes drug up without getting caught? That's going to raise suspicion no matter who you are.
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Old 12-10-2012, 03:24 PM   #78
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Leave the model minority alone guys.

For 3 years Floyds been asking to take the tests, hes been called a coward, a liar, and lost a lawsuit because of it.

Now that the shoes on the other foot you got the ****ing nytimes accusing a guy who said hed gladly take any tests available of steroids.

Laughable
real fricken talk
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Old 12-10-2012, 03:28 PM   #79
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JMM works with a prior PEDS dealer for strength and conditioning and improves = on PEDS
Pac works with a trainer who's fighters have been on PEDS and improves = Greatest trainer ever

If JMM is suspicious he's the same or less than Pac, he's actually willing to test up to fight night with random blood and urine..

As it's been said, he didn't seem to be looking to outbox Pac.. He went for the KO almost the whole night, and was losing the fight because of it.. that could be why he got the KO...
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Old 12-10-2012, 03:38 PM   #80
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Where's the outcry for ward working with victor ****en Conte?Andre ward working with the man the supplied Barry bonds and shame Mosley.**** a hater
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Old 12-10-2012, 03:51 PM   #81
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Heredia prouds himself on being able to supply his athletes with performance enhancing drugs such as HGH/anabolic steroids and helping them pass tests by way of simply popping a few pills.

Why would Marquez work with him? Because he helps him with a nutritional program? Come on....


I love Marquez, a great fighter and a great boxer.. PEDs don't make his legacy, his skills do. But I am utterly convinced he's on them.
Like most of profesional boxers are.I dont know what the big deal is anyway,everyone takes them,and yet everyone(fans) are amazed when someone gets caught.
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Old 12-10-2012, 03:54 PM   #82
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Marquez short circuited Mannys brains with a solid right hand counter.

It had more to do with JMM's boxing ability than anything he had in his system.
BINGO! Mr.Magic
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Old 12-10-2012, 04:02 PM   #83
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Such ****ing hyperbole. He doesn't even look buffer. Can someone do a side by side comparison.

A bodybuilder? ****ing retarded article.

I'm a testament of what can happen in the weight room. I'm a natural 154ish lber. When I begin to lift and take protein in two months I can easily balloon up to 170lbs. Which is where i'm at right now.

Steroids gives you a completely different more cut and sculpted body. Just look at Vargas.
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Old 12-10-2012, 04:04 PM   #84
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People are such assholes.

JMM looks the same as he always does. He has ALWAYS had big, broad shoulders and skinny ass legs. Has since he's been moving up in weight.
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Old 12-10-2012, 04:10 PM   #85
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Has there been a fighter in the HISTORY of boxing who has retained as much speed, stamina, and reflexes as JMM has at the age of 39? Hopkins' physical attributes were in heavy decline by the time he reached that age. We don't have any film of Archie Moore in his physical prime to be able to contrast between his 20's and late 30's.

So basically JMM is doing something that has never been done in the history of boxing.

And for the record, I think JMM and Pac juiced.
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Old 12-10-2012, 04:13 PM   #86
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I think its a dangerous precedent to throw out accusations like that without any evidence. Shame on the NY Times. Shame on these new age "reporters"
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Old 12-10-2012, 04:14 PM   #87
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Where's the outcry for ward working with victor ****en Conte?Andre ward working with the man the supplied Barry bonds and shame Mosley.**** a hater
Andre Ward isn't knocking out people he's fought evenly with three times before with single overhand right's at 39 years of age.
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Old 12-10-2012, 04:16 PM   #88
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Such ****ing hyperbole. He doesn't even look buffer. Can someone do a side by side comparison.

A bodybuilder? ****ing retarded article.

I'm a testament of what can happen in the weight room. I'm a natural 154ish lber. When I begin to lift and take protein in two months I can easily balloon up to 170lbs. Which is where i'm at right now.

Steroids gives you a completely different more cut and sculpted body. Just look at Vargas.
You act like you know what you are saying.

You say you can balloon up when you start taking protein, acting like protein is what causes you get that added weight. Last time I checked protein isn't high in calories and calories are what make you gain weight.

16 lbs in two months. And how much is that muscle?

Steroids gives you more of a cut? Yeah you don't know what you are talking about.
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Old 12-10-2012, 04:16 PM   #89
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Poochiao fans crying about steroids is rather funny.
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Old 12-10-2012, 04:17 PM   #90
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Such ****ing hyperbole. He doesn't even look buffer. Can someone do a side by side comparison.

A bodybuilder? ****ing retarded article.

I'm a testament of what can happen in the weight room. I'm a natural 154ish lber. When I begin to lift and take protein in two months I can easily balloon up to 170lbs. Which is where i'm at right now.

Steroids gives you a completely different more cut and sculpted body. Just look at Vargas.
I've posted comparison pictures many times before. He looks slightly, and i mean barely bigger compared to other weigh in pictures.
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