NY Times suspicious of Márquez

[Divi253]

Originally Posted by Juv

Has there been a fighter in the HISTORY of boxing who has retained as much speed, stamina, and reflexes as JMM has at the age of 39? Hopkins' physical attributes were in heavy decline by the time he reached that age. We don't have any film of Archie Moore in his physical prime to be able to contrast between his 20's and late 30's.

So basically JMM is doing something that has never been done in the history of boxing.

And for the record, I think JMM and Pac juiced.

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Give this man two years and I believe he will.

[HIGHCOLLIDE]

**** pacroid,..karma is a bitch.

pacroid beat alot fo people cause of PEDS,..if jmm is on them then iam happy he did it against pacroid.karma baby,karma.

[chimba]

**** all these accusations. WTF cares about PEDS but Floyd. Also, Pac jumped into that punch as much as JMM hit him thats why He took a nap.

Great win for JMM and hope for another figh. If its going to be this exciting it would be great for boxing.

[Juv]

Originally Posted by Divi253

Sergio Martinez

Give this man two years and I believe he will.

We'll see. But 2 years is a long time.

[HIGHCOLLIDE]

Originally Posted by Revolver

Poochiao fans crying about steroids is rather funny.

[Mr "T"]

Originally Posted by MrMagic

Heredia prouds himself on being able to supply his athletes with performance enhancing drugs such as HGH/anabolic steroids and helping them pass tests by way of simply popping a few pills.

Why would Marquez work with him? Because he helps him with a nutritional program? Come on....


I love Marquez, a great fighter and a great boxer.. PEDs don't make his legacy, his skills do. But I am utterly convinced he's on them.

Ok but what about PAC- he's grown mascle mass and power as well
He got some of his own medicine-his vaunted punching power has to be questioned as well.
Legacies are tainted by PEDS and the art of passing the tests.
Bonds, McGuire -I believe the Jamaicans are suspect as well....clean up the mess and make sure they are legit fighters.

[Mr "T"]

Originally Posted by MichiganWarrior

Anyone that believes you can't make the gains Marquez made in a year is a pencil necked nerd whose never been in a weight room in their lives and deserve nothing but scorn and derision and copious amounts of swirlies.

Good post-very true

[Bogotazo]

Originally Posted by Smokin' Joe

You get the overriding feeling that if it wasn't Pacquiao on the end of this, there wouldn't be a word about it. Can understand that in a way, he's a likable guy, but it's not justification for accusing a fighter.

Yup. And neither are large forearms. Is every buff person on Earth on steroids?

[Cut Me Mick]

Originally Posted by MichiganWarrior

Anyone that believes you can't make the gains Marquez made in a year is a pencil necked nerd whose never been in a weight room in their lives and deserve nothing but scorn and derision and copious amounts of swirlies.

delete.

[MattMattMatt]

Hilarious hypocrisy from both sides of the fence. A few years ago it was apparently enough evidence, when a man in his late 20s/early 30s had moved up in weight successfully over a period of many years, to taint the rest of his career with PED abuse accusations (which I think are partially justified, despite how classlessly it was done) and now it's suddenly ridiculous to point an accusing finger at a 39 year old who has miraculously gotten into a kind of shape that he has never managed before in his 20 year pro career, and knocked out one of the P4P best whilst only managing one other straight KO in the rest of the last decade.

Let's be honest here, it's as plain as day who many of the people are that are defending JMM now. Many of whom were very quick to point the accusatory finger of PED abuse at someone else for the last few years. It's also as plain as day who most the people are that are now suddenly accusing JMM. It's comical hypocrisy all round. I'm kinda glad that it's all over, one way or another, so I don't have to sift through this shit that has surrounded the Floyd/Pac debacle for the last few years.

[Cut Me Mick]

Why is it so hard to believe that a fighter who went into training camp with the mindset that he couldn't let it go to the cards again, and spent the whole camp working on strength and power could gain a bit of muscle?

[Jr Middleweight]

Originally Posted by Duckyy

You act like you know what you are saying.

You say you can balloon up when you start taking protein, acting like protein is what causes you get that added weight. Last time I checked protein isn't high in calories and calories are what make you gain weight.

16 lbs in two months. And how much is that muscle?

Steroids gives you more of a cut? Yeah you don't know what you are talking about.

You have no ****ing clue what you're talking about. If you and i stand side to side, it would be very obvious who goes to the gym 6 times a week and who sits on their fat ass typing away on a message board.

The protein IS what gives me that weight. When I work out hard without it, I stay within the realm of 155-159, and i never tip the scales past 160.

When i start training harder with my added protein I start gaining massive weight, and it only takes me roughly 2 months to tip the scales at 170, which is where i'm at. Eating the same, everything else being equal, the protein is the difference.

If Marquez was on steroids, he wouldn't have that body, he would be much more ripped. I have friends that cycle on steroids, I've seen it for myself, in their physique and strength.

if posting pics of my before and after body wasn't so gay, I would post up.

p.s. judging from my strength and cutness I would say most of it is muscle.

[Imperial1]

Originally Posted by Cut Me Mick

Why is it so hard to believe that a fighter who went into training camp with the mindset that he couldn't let it go to the cards again, and spent the whole camp working on strength and power could gain a bit of muscle?

It use to be the norm of the previous boxers of the golden age. Look at the fighter Kid Galaxy I think his name was dudes arms were huge ..It was the norm back then but with all these ped's its now a surprise to people ..

['el nino']

I just dont think pacquaio really recovered from the first kd.

Having bigger muscles does not make you punch much harder or take a shot better

[kirk]

Those Pactards over at NY Times

No other way would someone suspect a 40 year old who blows up, looking like his heads gonna pop, with one of the most infamous PED farmers in his camp.

Disgraceful that anyone would even wonder.