NY Times suspicious of Márquez

[kirk]

Those Pactards over at NY Times

No other way would someone suspect a 40 year old who blows up, looking like his heads gonna pop, with one of the most infamous PED farmers in his camp.

Disgraceful that anyone would even wonder.

[Mamerto]

Originally Posted by kirk

Those Pactards over at NY Times

No other way would someone suspect a 40 year old who blows up, looking like his heads gonna pop, with one of the most infamous PED farmers in his camp.

Disgraceful that anyone would even wonder.

WTF? You are truly a Pactard.

[MattMattMatt]

Originally Posted by Imperial1

It use to be the norm of the previous boxers of the golden age. Look at the fighter Kid Galaxy I think his name was dudes arms were huge ..It was the norm back then but with all these ped's its now a surprise to people ..

The 80s and 90s clearly had a far worse problem with drug use. You would have to be incredibly naive to think that abuse wasn't rampant. You think that it being the norm in an era where testing was even more inadequate is some kind of evidence that modern fighters aren't using?

[SweetHome_Bama]

Originally Posted by Scar

If PEDs develop skills and power, almost everyone will have power and supreme skills in this sport. Fact is, Marquez fought as he always did only this time he was clearly looking to hurt Pacquiao with every counter possible. Even in trying that he was actually losing the fight, suffered a concusion, broken nose and cuts. I didn't see anything supernatural or new from Marquez besides his commitment to his punches this time rather than aiming to score rounds/points.

No one said PEDs develop skills but they definitely aid in developing power and stamina.

Marquez fought with more power than he ever had in his career.
His punches in the last fight hurt Manny harder than he was able to ever hurt Manny previously and with the same damn punches and counters. LOL.

Marquez obviously got a tremendous increase in power, why deny it?

[kirk]

Originally Posted by Mamerto

WTF? You are truly a Pactard.

Not even close.

However, your perception that I am should worry you.... because it means you are so far up JMM's ass that rational thoughts come across as Pactardism. If you cant see that JMM's head and brow have gotten bigger since their first fight, then youre being willfully blind, or simply dont know what youre looking at. Either or.

Thats truth.

[MattMattMatt]

Originally Posted by 'el nino'

I just dont think pacquaio really recovered from the first kd.

Having bigger muscles does not make you punch much harder or take a shot better

No, but I don't think it is out of the question that it could be the physical result of a training regime that your body would not be able to handle without outside assistance.

[Imperial1]

Originally Posted by MattMattMatt

The 80s and 90s clearly had a far worse problem with drug use. You would have to be incredibly naive to think that abuse wasn't rampant. You think that it being the norm in an era where testing was even more inadequate is some kind of evidence that modern fighters aren't using?

I wouldn't doubt it but one thing was certain they trained a hell of allot harder ..There weren't as many short cuts or drug dealers (strength and conditioning coaches ) as there are today .

[Boxing Fanatic]

Originally Posted by Mamerto

WTF? You are truly a Pactard.

erik morales: "mexicos pharmacy was better"

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[Scar]

Originally Posted by SweetHome_Bama

No one said PEDs develop skills but they definitely aid in developing power and stamina.

Marquez fought with more power than he ever had in his career.
His punches in the last fight hurt Manny harder than he was able to ever hurt Manny previously and with the same damn punches and counters. LOL.

Marquez obviously got a tremendous increase in power, why deny it?

No one is denying anything but power, as previously stated, isn't solely developed through PEDs. What PEDs give are noticeable improvement in stamina, recovery and conditioning. Clearly in this fight Marquez wasn't as fast as he was in the third fight, which is a clear indication that his training this time around was clearly based on power and that took away some speed. Nothing out of the ordinary here and let's face it, this isn't the first time Marquez hurt/rocked Pacquiao, only to a greater extent because of his weight lifting(which explains the bigger muscular shoulders). Marquez, clearly, wanted a knockout in this fight, you could clearly see that this is what he trained for especially when he suffered a broken nose, cuts and broken nose. In all three fights, when did Marquez open up as often as he did in this fight?

PEDs have nothing to do with this, he barely looked supernatural and was actually losing/lost and confused the first two rounds from Pacquiao's head movement. I was far more impressed with Pacquiao's performance, even after the knockout, than Marquez. That's hardly an example of someone on serious PEDs.

[Imperial1]

Originally Posted by Boxing Fanatic

erik morales: "mexicos pharmacy was better"

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[mking]

Originally Posted by Boxing Fanatic

erik morales: "mexicos pharmacy was better"

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Morales getting his shots in

[canucks9314]

i don't get it. floyd got ragged on for using similar, bad logic but now the same people who ragged on him are supporting this.

[janeschicken]

Originally Posted by Boxing Fanatic

erik morales: "mexicos pharmacy was better"

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Mexico : superior pharmacy, inferior meat

[Cut Me Mick]

Overload + nutrients = hypertrophy

It really is that simple. Is anybody denying this?

[SweetHome_Bama]

Originally Posted by Scar

No one is denying anything but power, as previously stated, isn't solely developed through PEDs. What PEDs give are noticeable improvement in stamina, recovery and conditioning. Clearly in this fight Marquez wasn't as fast as he was in the third fight, which is a clear indication that his training this time around was clearly based on power and that took away some speed. Nothing out of the ordinary here and let's face it, this isn't the first time Marquez hurt/rocked Pacquiao, only to a greater extent because of his weight lifting(which explains the bigger muscular shoulders). Marquez, clearly, wanted a knockout in this fight, you could clearly see that this is what he trained for especially when he suffered a broken nose, cuts and broken nose. In all three fights, when did Marquez open up as often as he did in this fight?

PEDs have nothing to do with this, he barely looked supernatural and was actually losing/lost and confused the first two rounds from Pacquiao's head movement. I was far more impressed with Pacquiao's performance, even after the knockout, than Marquez. That's hardly an example of someone on serious PEDs.

The power difference came from some where, as did the buliking he did in the 3rd and 4th fight.

It is hard to put on weight while doing cardio, I have no doubt like Manny he was aided in doing so with the help of the PEDs from Angel.

This is the first time Juan ever put Manny down with one clean blow. EVER. He never was able to do that landing the exact same punch before in any of the 3 previous fights. Hell he caught him with the same right hand counter on Manny coming in before and never put him out like that before.

The power came from somewhere, because he never exhibited before and it is my opinion that looking at who he sought out, Angel, it came from him and his specialty, which is designer steroids.

Marquez put on major mass compared to his usual frame, late in life and also developed serous one punch power at 147 in the process, while still retaining stamina to go punch for punch with Manny and not be winded in any way in the 6 rounds they had.

Marquez is clearly a PED user in my opinion and I don't blame him, Manny is on it too.