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Old 12-10-2012, 04:56 PM   #31
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calzaghe's last fight was 08.

if u wanna be picky is hill even worthy.

lost the big fights in his career.

despite being a very good fighter.

in the marquee fights he lost.
I know what you're saying but outwith Hearns,Virgil was 32 before he had what you'd call a "big" fight and defeat.
He was a very good champion,and although it's purely my opinion,a worthy inclusion.
But I understand your point.
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Old 12-10-2012, 05:04 PM   #32
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I think Hill is a fair inclusion, he's just not a particularly big name compared to other leading Americans from that time.

Gatti... meh.

Not for me I'm afraid. He was a very average fighter, with no particularly notable wins.

Pretty exciting, but so was Jamie Moore, so was Nigel Benn.

In recent years, there's been stacks of more exciting fighters to watch than Gatti. Both Marquez brothers, Barrera, Morales, Pacquiao - and that's just from bantamweight to lightweight.

All of those will probably get in anyway, but it's just a general point I'm making, that Gatti is overrated in all departments.
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Old 12-10-2012, 05:04 PM   #33
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just looking at some of hill's defences.

f*cking hell he even rematched frank tate.

at a stage when tate was well past it.

he had a title but he fought some shit.
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Old 12-10-2012, 05:11 PM   #34
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just looking at some of hill's defences.

f*cking hell he even rematched frank tate.

at a stage when tate was well past it.

he had a title but he fought some shit.
That division has been the ruin of some great fighters' resumes though.If RJJ hadn't been born a natural 175'r,I think he'd be viewed very differently,and so many people think Michael Spinks is only the guy Tyson destroyed.
The list of underrated guys at 175 is quite shocking to me.
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Old 12-10-2012, 05:14 PM   #35
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And how could I forget Nathan Cleverly?
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Old 12-10-2012, 05:30 PM   #36
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calzaghe's last fight was 08.

if u wanna be picky is hill even worthy.

lost the big fights in his career.

despite being a very good fighter.

in the marquee fights he lost.


What?
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Old 12-10-2012, 05:30 PM   #37
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[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOsI9q935VU[/ame]

gotta love youtube.

hill's 1st world title win back in 1987.

he certainly made some defences i give him that.
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Old 12-10-2012, 05:32 PM   #38
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Colin Hart?

Ah heeeeeeeeell NO!
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Old 12-10-2012, 05:42 PM   #39
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gotta love youtube.

hill's 1st world title win back in 1987.

he certainly made some defences i give him that.
Thanks HH, enjoyed that
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Old 12-10-2012, 05:52 PM   #40
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gotta love youtube.

hill's 1st world title win back in 1987.

he certainly made some defences i give him that.
Great post.
Beautiful left hand for the penultimate KD.
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Old 12-10-2012, 06:29 PM   #41
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Its the Boxing Hall of FAME. Gatti is a legend, doesnt matter that he wasnt the most skillful. What do you watch boxing for? Sure I love to see a skillful fighter, but there is nothing like seeing a warrior putting his heart into a war for our entertainment. Dont be so precious about CVs, salute the boxing warriors - they are a different breed.

Glad Colin Harte is in as well, I have been reading his stuff for years, and one redeeming quality (that probably feeds some haters) is he just calls it, if he thinks a home fighter is getting tanked, he just says it. I'll take objective analysis all day long over the rank and predictable spin that is a staple for others.
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Old 12-11-2012, 05:08 AM   #42
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Its the Boxing Hall of FAME. Gatti is a legend, doesnt matter that he wasnt the most skillful. What do you watch boxing for? Sure I love to see a skillful fighter, but there is nothing like seeing a warrior putting his heart into a war for our entertainment. Dont be so precious about CVs, salute the boxing warriors - they are a different breed.

Glad Colin Harte is in as well, I have been reading his stuff for years, and one redeeming quality (that probably feeds some haters) is he just calls it, if he thinks a home fighter is getting tanked, he just says it. I'll take objective analysis all day long over the rank and predictable spin that is a staple for others.
he was all excited and thrilled when first introduced to Bert Gilroy's story, the authors sent him signed copies and a copy of Gilroy's 'actuallly' Scrapbook, they spoke on the phone to Hart at great length. a few times!

Colin Hart was going to do a big peice on Bert's career, somehow, somewhere, someone stopped the enthusiasm, same with Boxing News- never done a story on him, nor covered Gilroy's HOF Induction, the Oldtimers page still won't revisit his career and even Brain Donald in Scotland.

seems there is still an awfull lot to hide when speaking of Bert Gilroy.

I like Colin Hart and he deserves the honour,
but it would've been nice to hear his veiws on Gilroy's career, and Boxing News, well that baffles the mind, he was one of BRITAIN's Finest ever fighters, just shows the true spirit of bias & fear in this country.
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Old 12-11-2012, 07:51 AM   #43
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Naseem was huge, I agree, but without wanting to get too crude; since September 11th 2001, a boxer who openly talks of his Muslim faith will not be the big name that sells tickets for a Hall of Fame in New York.

It is wrong, Naseem's faith should have no relevance to whether he belongs in a Boxing Hall of Fame. But it means he will only get in, in the near future, underneath a fighter who can sell more tickets. Which does limit his chances of getting in.
I have heard HBO didn't want to deal with him after the attacks before and he definitely gave them an easy out with his performance against Calvo, but I think the main thing holding Nas back is the perception he's an underachiever that quit rather than redeem himself after an embarrassing loss. For such a gobshite that's unforgivable, especially a foreign one that came down to the ring on a flying carpet.
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Old 12-11-2012, 07:52 AM   #44
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that entire list is complete shit imo.
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Old 12-11-2012, 02:33 PM   #45
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Its the Boxing Hall of FAME. Gatti is a legend, doesnt matter that he wasnt the most skillful. What do you watch boxing for? Sure I love to see a skillful fighter, but there is nothing like seeing a warrior putting his heart into a war for our entertainment. Dont be so precious about CVs, salute the boxing warriors - they are a different breed.
Agreed. most boxing fans love Gatti he has to be included and if u think any different your probably being a stuck up boxing fan who's thinking about shit too much.
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