Wladimir Klitschko vs. Rocky Marciano

[lufcrazy]

Originally Posted by HOUDINI

Mickey Walker was a middleweight and was 5'7", 170 pounds.....he knocked out large hwts some in the first round and fought to a draw with prime Jack Sharkey. So tell me again that Marciano would be unable to land on Wlads highly questionable chin?

Rocky would rarely get beyond the jab and never get beyond the clinch.

If anyone gets knocked out, it's rocky.

[HOUDINI]

When Rocky hits Wlads glass chin the fights over. He does not have the courage to continue after being seriously hurt. Ross Purity, a bum, knocked Wlad out.....or more accurately made him quit.

[lufcrazy]

Originally Posted by HOUDINI

When Rocky hits Wlads glass chin the fights over. He does not have the courage to continue after being seriously hurt. Ross Purity, a bum, knocked Wlad out.....or more accurately made him quit.

Yes if wlad undertrains and doesn't have the fitness, rocky could stop him around 13 rounds.

But we're talking peak for peak so I'm taking the wlad from the chagaev fight, ruthless and unflappable all night long.

[Seamus]

Originally Posted by HOUDINI

Mickey Walker was a middleweight and was 5'7", 170 pounds.....he knocked out large hwts some in the first round and fought to a draw with prime Jack Sharkey. So tell me again that Marciano would be unable to land on Wlads highly questionable chin?

Since when is Jack Sharkey a large heavyweight?

[mcvey]

Originally Posted by Seamus

Since when is Jack Sharkey a large heavyweight?

I think your English is good enough to know there is a distinct separation in that statement.

[Minotauro]

I think Wlad would take Rocky out early, he'd be giving up like 60+lbs. That is a massive difference, out of the small heavy's i'd give Dempsey the best chance.

[HOUDINI]

Idea is...Walker was 5'7, 170 pounds and he knocked out hwts. Some in the first round. He also fought to a draw with hwt champion Jack Sharkey. Your entire "Marciano is so much smaller he could never hit Wlad on the chin" arguement is as false as any statement can be.

Chins don't improve. The chin Wlad had against Purity, Brewster and Sanders is the same as he has today. Courage also does not change its inherit within a mans makeup. Rocky hits Wlad on the chin and he goes down in sections just like he did three times previously. Purity, Brewster and Sanders...all nobodies...KOed Wlad and of course also would Rocky Marciano.

[KidDynamite]

people say floyd runs and doesn't fight ... even a guy like floyd, who prides himself on his defensive skills and ability to come out of fights without taking much punishment, will trade and exchange with the opponent and won't just jab and grab


wlad on the other hand is either hugging if not jabbing and jabbing if not hugging ... ive seen this guy nearly KO an opponent but started clinching because he moved into closer range and accidentally closed the distance ... and the other guy was against the ropes, helpless with his guard up ... even steward had to beg this heartless, cowardly clown to throw the right hand

even steward admitted that most of the guys wlad fights are just there for the check and don't even believe that they can beat the man

we've seen both Puritty and Brewster overcome this back pedaling outstretched arms GLASS by showing heart, grit and determination ... Marciano could do the same

its clear that he doesn't have confidence in his chin and skill which is why he uses his reach to peck away

[NoNeck]

Originally Posted by HOUDINI

Idea is...Walker was 5'7, 170 pounds and he knocked out hwts. Some in the first round. He also fought to a draw with hwt champion Jack Sharkey. Your entire "Marciano is so much smaller he could never hit Wlad on the chin" arguement is as false as any statement can be.

You do realize that you can bring up an obscure example of anything to try to prove a point, right? I like how yours doesn't even involve Marciano.

[Seamus]

Anyone who describes a man who has entered the ring against 50+ professional heavyweights, the latter couple dozen of whom were upper tier world class, as "cowardly" should march his happy ass down to a gym and take on a club fighter for a couple rounds.

And folks who repeat the same lines on 18 separate posts are not adding to a discussion but are merely remiscent of a child throwing a tantrum.

[Seamus]

Originally Posted by NoNeck

You do realize that you can bring up an obscure example of anything to try to prove a point, right? I like how yours doesn't even involve Marciano.

Or mention that Walker was almost killed by Schmeling, a beating which undeniably altered his career for the worse.

Again, someone let me know when the next sub 6 foot crowder who weighs in t 180 and has a 67 inch reach becomes heavyweight champ.

[dinovelvet]

Its plausible to me because i do not believe Wladimir Klitschko is all that good. He would certainly not continue a fight if he had his face split open and he ducked out of fighting Derrick Chorisa twice on the advice from Manny Steward.

[rusak]

It's ridiculous how some people actually think that Marciano would be able to bully Vlad around. It really goes to show how far removed they are from any sort of athletic activity or contest. And I'm not even a fan of Vlad. I'd like to see him lose and I don't think he's invincible at all. However, Marciano would have no chance against Vlad.

Vlad can literally hold his jab hand out in front of him and keep Marciano at the end of it like a child. He's big enough and strong enough to toy with Marciano like that. Who did Marciano ever fight, let alone beat, that could do that? One of Vlad's biggest strengths is his ability to maintain his preferred distance. Marciano has nothing for him in that regard. If Marciano is plodding forward, getting low, Vlad can just push him down further with one hand and step to the side. And that's it - Marciano couldn't do anything about it.

How is Marciano going to get inside? I can't see it happening. Someone break it down technically.

[dinovelvet]

The Rock would just stand there and be jabbed? No. He would destroy the ligaments in Wlads arms with punches if he held his jab on his head. He was known for it. He'd punch that lazy jab clean off his shoulder, before battering him with a relentless body attack , following up with a tight hook clean on the chin or neck leaving Wlad experiencing rebirth on the canvas.
The Rock is an aggressive animal the likes he has never seen.

[Seamus]

Originally Posted by dinovelvet

The Rock would just stand there and be jabbed? No. He would destroy the ligaments in Wlads arms with punches if he held his jab on his head. He was known for it. He'd punch that lazy jab clean off his shoulder, before battering him with a relentless body attack , following up with a tight hook clean on the chin or neck leaving Wlad experiencing rebirth on the canvas.
The Rock is an aggressive animal the likes he has never seen.

You are the only one, including the best observers on the sport and the best trainers and guys who have actually been in the ring with Wlad, who says Wlad has a lazy jab. In fact, those neophytes generally concur he has a great and very powerful jab.

How did you get so smart?