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Old 12-10-2012, 06:34 PM   #331
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people say floyd runs and doesn't fight ... even a guy like floyd, who prides himself on his defensive skills and ability to come out of fights without taking much punishment, will trade and exchange with the opponent and won't just jab and grab


wlad on the other hand is either hugging if not jabbing and jabbing if not hugging ... ive seen this guy nearly KO an opponent but started clinching because he moved into closer range and accidentally closed the distance ... and the other guy was against the ropes, helpless with his guard up ... even steward had to beg this heartless, cowardly clown to throw the right hand

even steward admitted that most of the guys wlad fights are just there for the check and don't even believe that they can beat the man

we've seen both Puritty and Brewster overcome this back pedaling outstretched arms GLASS by showing heart, grit and determination ... Marciano could do the same

its clear that he doesn't have confidence in his chin and skill which is why he uses his reach to peck away
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Old 12-10-2012, 07:15 PM   #332
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Idea is...Walker was 5'7, 170 pounds and he knocked out hwts. Some in the first round. He also fought to a draw with hwt champion Jack Sharkey. Your entire "Marciano is so much smaller he could never hit Wlad on the chin" arguement is as false as any statement can be.
You do realize that you can bring up an obscure example of anything to try to prove a point, right? I like how yours doesn't even involve Marciano.
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Old 12-10-2012, 07:25 PM   #333
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Anyone who describes a man who has entered the ring against 50+ professional heavyweights, the latter couple dozen of whom were upper tier world class, as "cowardly" should march his happy ass down to a gym and take on a club fighter for a couple rounds.

And folks who repeat the same lines on 18 separate posts are not adding to a discussion but are merely remiscent of a child throwing a tantrum.

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Old 12-10-2012, 07:41 PM   #334
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You do realize that you can bring up an obscure example of anything to try to prove a point, right? I like how yours doesn't even involve Marciano.
Or mention that Walker was almost killed by Schmeling, a beating which undeniably altered his career for the worse.

Again, someone let me know when the next sub 6 foot crowder who weighs in t 180 and has a 67 inch reach becomes heavyweight champ.
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Old 12-10-2012, 07:57 PM   #335
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Its plausible to me because i do not believe Wladimir Klitschko is all that good. He would certainly not continue a fight if he had his face split open and he ducked out of fighting Derrick Chorisa twice on the advice from Manny Steward.
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Old 12-10-2012, 07:58 PM   #336
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It's ridiculous how some people actually think that Marciano would be able to bully Vlad around. It really goes to show how far removed they are from any sort of athletic activity or contest. And I'm not even a fan of Vlad. I'd like to see him lose and I don't think he's invincible at all. However, Marciano would have no chance against Vlad.

Vlad can literally hold his jab hand out in front of him and keep Marciano at the end of it like a child. He's big enough and strong enough to toy with Marciano like that. Who did Marciano ever fight, let alone beat, that could do that? One of Vlad's biggest strengths is his ability to maintain his preferred distance. Marciano has nothing for him in that regard. If Marciano is plodding forward, getting low, Vlad can just push him down further with one hand and step to the side. And that's it - Marciano couldn't do anything about it.

How is Marciano going to get inside? I can't see it happening. Someone break it down technically.
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Old 12-10-2012, 08:35 PM   #337
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The Rock would just stand there and be jabbed? No. He would destroy the ligaments in Wlads arms with punches if he held his jab on his head. He was known for it. He'd punch that lazy jab clean off his shoulder, before battering him with a relentless body attack , following up with a tight hook clean on the chin or neck leaving Wlad experiencing rebirth on the canvas.
The Rock is an aggressive animal the likes he has never seen.
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Old 12-10-2012, 09:36 PM   #338
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The Rock would just stand there and be jabbed? No. He would destroy the ligaments in Wlads arms with punches if he held his jab on his head. He was known for it. He'd punch that lazy jab clean off his shoulder, before battering him with a relentless body attack , following up with a tight hook clean on the chin or neck leaving Wlad experiencing rebirth on the canvas.
The Rock is an aggressive animal the likes he has never seen.
You are the only one, including the best observers on the sport and the best trainers and guys who have actually been in the ring with Wlad, who says Wlad has a lazy jab. In fact, those neophytes generally concur he has a great and very powerful jab.

How did you get so smart?
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Old 12-10-2012, 10:24 PM   #339
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The Rock would just stand there and be jabbed? No. He would destroy the ligaments in Wlads arms with punches if he held his jab on his head. He was known for it. He'd punch that lazy jab clean off his shoulder, before battering him with a relentless body attack , following up with a tight hook clean on the chin or neck leaving Wlad experiencing rebirth on the canvas.
The Rock is an aggressive animal the likes he has never seen.
Did this horseshit actually look realistic to you as you wrote it? Why didn't anyone else think of that - hey, I'll just punch him in the arm! Maybe because it's next to impossible to do effectively. Vlad would keep his tree trunk like arm out in Marciano's face, use it push Marciano down and back, and SNAP IT as a jab. Vlad has done this in many fights. It's not a "lazy" jab. He leaves his arm out there as a barrier to keep you outside where he wants you, and he jabs with it, but he's very hard to hit clean because of his footwork and sense of distance.
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Old 12-11-2012, 02:11 AM   #340
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LOL, this is ridiculous ... gentlemen, seriously.

Saying that champions like Klitschko or Marciano have "no chance" against anybody, including each other, reeks of fanboyism. In reality I think that it would be an awesome fight, and that by no means would it be as simple as "Oh, Wlad keeps Rocky on the end of his jab all night long, with ease" or "Rocky gets inside and beats Wlad to a pulp, with ease."

In reality they have never met anybody like each other, they are pretty damn unique in their physiques, skillsets and mental abilities. It isn't so simple as that.

I think Marciano would edge it. But I wouldn't be surprised to see Klitschko take it, either.
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Old 12-11-2012, 05:00 AM   #341
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LOL, this is ridiculous ... gentlemen, seriously.

Saying that champions like Klitschko or Marciano have "no chance" against anybody, including each other, reeks of fanboyism. In reality I think that it would be an awesome fight, and that by no means would it be as simple as "Oh, Wlad keeps Rocky on the end of his jab all night long, with ease" or "Rocky gets inside and beats Wlad to a pulp, with ease."

In reality they have never met anybody like each other, they are pretty damn unique in their physiques, skillsets and mental abilities. It isn't so simple as that.

I think Marciano would edge it. But I wouldn't be surprised to see Klitschko take it, either.
Actually, what you just did here is what reeks of fanboyism. You didn't say anything about styles, just that "Marciano would edge it". It doesn't matter that Marciano was a champion - it's absolutely irrelevant. He doesn't have the tools to execute his style against Klitschko and is at a massive physical disadvantage. He never beat a single good large (let alone super) heavyweight. He never fought anyone remotely like Vlad. People are claiming he'd beat Vlad on the basis of him beating up guys like Joe Walcott and Ezzard Charles in 6 ounce gloves. I'm not buying it for a moment.
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Old 12-11-2012, 06:28 AM   #342
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Did this horseshit actually look realistic to you as you wrote it? Why didn't anyone else think of that - hey, I'll just punch him in the arm! Maybe because it's next to impossible to do effectively. Vlad would keep his tree trunk like arm out in Marciano's face, use it push Marciano down and back, and SNAP IT as a jab. Vlad has done this in many fights. It's not a "lazy" jab. He leaves his arm out there as a barrier to keep you outside where he wants you, and he jabs with it, but he's very hard to hit clean because of his footwork and sense of distance.
This is my last post to you as its clear you know very little about both fighters.
The Rock used intentionally hit fighters on the arms. I did not make it up you clown. He would would rip they're biceps out of place to the point where they could not hold up they're arms anymore. You're done here.
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Old 12-11-2012, 06:53 AM   #343
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You are the only one, including the best observers on the sport and the best trainers and guys who have actually been in the ring with Wlad, who says Wlad has a lazy jab. In fact, those neophytes generally concur he has a great and very powerful jab.

How did you get so smart?
Produce the links to these articles by the best boxing observers. Prove it.

Is that how you judge boxing, by regurgitating everything you you read? I go by what I see, and ive also talked to many people who agree his jab is nothing special. Now dont get me wrong, its not a terrible jab, its just far from what people here say it is.

Wlad's jab is a dream come true for a counter puncher and its one of the reasons i believe the Povektin fight has never happened. But but but, Povektin is afraid.... Wlad's camp has never pushed for the fight either. Its simply not AP choice as no.1 contender to just say no all these years. Why do you think AP still has his belt, both sides are happy.
The amount of mistakes he make's with that jab would have him layed out by any fomer great in the history of the sport. He has no snap to it and lunges in recklessly when he throws it. AK would have no issue sidestepping to the left and startching him out cold with a counter right. His whole game is there to be exploited left, right and centre.
But your just another puppet who believe's everything you read on the internet who supports Wlad over a boxing hero like Rocy Marciano.
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Old 12-11-2012, 08:09 AM   #344
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[rusak] "Actually, what you just did here is what reeks of fanboyism."

LOL. Actually ... ROTFL

[rusak] "You didn't say anything about styles"

Actually I did, earlier on, but you were too busy measuring your manhood to notice.

[rusak] "He doesn't have the tools to execute his style against Klitschko"

Damn, and that was a fight that I would have loved to have seen. Do you think that they'll repeat it on ESPN?

[rusak] "He never beat a single good large (let alone super) heavyweight. "

Yup, he just beat bums, I guess. Nobody he fought was any good. It's absurd to think that somebody like him could beat Wlad, who walks on water and benchpresses battleships while he's not flying around in his cape.

[rusak] "People are claiming he'd beat Vlad"

I think that he'd absolutely be able to beat Wlad ... and vice versa.

Again. They have never faced anybody like each other, and what we are doing here is pure speculation.

I don't buy the theory of the "massive size difference" automatically being a Klitscko win anymore than the theory that the moment Marciano hits Wlad's allegedly sugar-candy chin, Wlad dies and all his relatives go into shock from the impact.

It is my opinion that if you add up the sum of each fighter, and asked me to bet on it, I'd put my money on the Rock. But it wouldn't be a confident bet. And I think that this is pretty much all anybody can say.
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Old 12-11-2012, 10:29 AM   #345
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Produce the links to these articles by the best boxing observers. Prove it.

Is that how you judge boxing, by regurgitating everything you you read? I go by what I see, and ive also talked to many people who agree his jab is nothing special. Now dont get me wrong, its not a terrible jab, its just far from what people here say it is.

Wlad's jab is a dream come true for a counter puncher and its one of the reasons i believe the Povektin fight has never happened. But but but, Povektin is afraid.... Wlad's camp has never pushed for the fight either. Its simply not AP choice as no.1 contender to just say no all these years. Why do you think AP still has his belt, both sides are happy.
The amount of mistakes he make's with that jab would have him layed out by any fomer great in the history of the sport. He has no snap to it and lunges in recklessly when he throws it. AK would have no issue sidestepping to the left and startching him out cold with a counter right. His whole game is there to be exploited left, right and centre.
But your just another puppet who believe's everything you read on the internet who supports Wlad over a boxing hero like Rocy Marciano.


Very busy today with holiday business, but fortunately this doesn't take but the most cursory internet search...

“Wladimir Klitschko, all of us must know by now, may be one of the greatest one-punch fighters in history,” said Steward. “He is of the few fighters- and I have trained many punchers- who can turn off the light switch in the middle of a big party without doing the dimmer switch first. We saw in the Chambers and Ray Austin fights. He doesn’t have to get a guy in trouble but can knock him out with one single punch." Manny.

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"To me, I knew he could still be the champ because he has that power. He has that power.” Ray Austin

“Klitschko had more power, most definitely. In both hands. You could feel it. Put it this way – if it would have been Wladimir in there when his brother fought Lennox Lewis, I think he would have dropped Lennox Lewis. I honestly do. I think he would have dropped Lennox Lewis.” Phil Jackson

“The strategy for this fight is real simple … create foot pressure, take his space away, like Wladimir did against Eddie Chambers. Cut him off, cut him off, cut him off. Create tension. Don’t give him time to relax. Shoot the jab, shoot the jab, shoot the jab and eventually you’ll get caught with a big shot.”

Thus, it’s no great surprise that Steward compares his punching power to that of giant-sized former protégé Lennox Lewis and most people believe he hits harder than Mike Tyson ever did. - ESB Interview with Steward

If you don't believe these guys, there are two pretty well vetted posters on here who have sparred extensively with Wlad. Both claim him to be the most effective power puncher they have faced, including the likes of Bowe, Tua, Lewis and Foreman the elder.

It's fine if you don't want to accept these opinions. Just don't think people are going to rate your opinion over these guys.
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