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Old 12-11-2012, 12:07 PM   #16
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The very same punch that knocked Pacquiao out in the 6th round, but didn't in the 5th?!

Does this mean he was taking PEDs between rounds 5 and 6?!





****ing idiots.
Why Mayquez was not able to even knock PAC down during the previous 36 rounds?
Was his skills poor so far and right now he just got better in terms of skill level

It is obvious to anybody whose eyes are not blind that Marquez is larger, stronger and
that his improved physique is the real reason he was able to put PAC to sleep.
I do not thing that it is any shame in that or it should be denied or diminished,
its good for Marquez he is stronger and can knock ANYBODY out with his improved muscles
... unless he has something to hide and he became regular PED user and cheater.

I personally do not think he used PEDs or he cheat but he should admit himself
that his grown up muscles were the real reason he was able to knock PAC out
.... not his skill level which gave him nothing in the previous three fights.
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Old 12-11-2012, 12:08 PM   #17
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Skills sets it up, muscles gets the kd's and ko's
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Old 12-11-2012, 12:14 PM   #18
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Absolutely true.

It was about Pacquiao not seeing the shot, moving right into it, the timing & execution...

The fact that Marquez weighed (unofficially) 148 as opposed to whatever he'd rehydrated to the first three times may have added some oomph, but the fact is it took him 42 rounds to find that perfect counter punch on the button. Had he done so in any of the previous 41, Pacquiao very likely still would have been KTFO.
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Old 12-11-2012, 12:31 PM   #19
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Absolutely true.

It was about Pacquiao not seeing the shot, moving right into it, the timing & execution...

The fact that Marquez weighed (unofficially) 148 as opposed to whatever he'd rehydrated to the first three times may have added some oomph, but the fact is it took him 42 rounds to find that perfect counter punch on the button. Had he done so in any of the previous 41, Pacquiao very likely still would have been KTFO.
I don't dispute Marquez being in more fantastic shape than usual. But it was the timing of the punch that did Pacman in. Pacman was out of position, falling into the shot, and the punch connected right with his jaw. Absolutely Perfect Punch. May top Maricano/Walcott on my personal best ever list.
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Old 12-11-2012, 12:33 PM   #20
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Pacquaio went down in 3rd and he was badly hurt twice in the 5th but of course HBO crew mostly completely ignored Marquez's work. Pacquaio was also hurt earlier in the 6th round.
Since, when has big muscle translated to punching power, if that were the case boxers would be body builders.
TimBradley=Prime example
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Old 12-11-2012, 12:34 PM   #21
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I don't dispute Marquez being in more fantastic shape than usual. But it was the timing of the punch that did Pacman in. Pacman was out of position, falling into the shot, and the punch connected right with his jaw. Absolutely Perfect Punch. May top Maricano/Walcott on my personal best ever list.
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Old 12-11-2012, 12:41 PM   #22
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It was a collision that knocked him out. It was skill and timing. There is nothing better than two skilled ATGs going at it. Im a Pac fan (actually of both) and I was happy that Boxing showed the world how its done. No potshotting BS. Two skilled warriors going for it.

Like JMM said, He could have knocked me out any minute.

Remember, for two guys making in excess of 40 Million in this fight, it would have been very easy to take it to a decision.
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Old 12-11-2012, 01:01 PM   #23
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I don't dispute Marquez being in more fantastic shape than usual. But it was the timing of the punch that did Pacman in. Pacman was out of position, falling into the shot, and the punch connected right with his jaw. Absolutely Perfect Punch. May top Maricano/Walcott on my personal best ever list.
all of that plus ..... the coincidental foot stepping and the result is an obvious KO of the year.

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The real question is: would that work vs Floyd?

- would be Marquez in the same shape .... no .... he would be blood drained form
tens Ollimpic tests done before the fight, and he would be cheated again on
the scale so no fantastic shape and additional weight disadvantage

- would be Floyd timed properly .... Floyd is safety first so it is hard to time someone who rolls his shoulder more often than he throws punches.

- would be Floyd out of position: yes but in the other direction since Floyd moves backward never forward

- failing into shot: never as mentioned above

- punch connected to the jaw: not, since Floyds jaw is always protected by his shoulder

- foot stepping: I doubt this would work in Marquez favor, it would bring the traditional elbow shots and the cheap sneaky punches (during the break and after the bell) to the table
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Old 12-11-2012, 01:24 PM   #24
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Translation: It's my skills, not the PEDs that enabled me to knock him out. Also, I never took PEDs, and even if I did use PEDs so did all the other top boxers.... but I didn't.
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Old 12-11-2012, 01:28 PM   #25
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Translation: It's my skills, not the PEDs that enabled me to knock him out. Also, I never took PEDs, and even if I did use PEDs so did all the other top boxers.... but I didn't.
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Old 12-11-2012, 01:43 PM   #26
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Of course muscles had something to do with it. Skill was the punch landing. Muscle was the impact. If he didn't need muscle, why hire a strength trainer?
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Old 12-11-2012, 01:49 PM   #27
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Of course it's skills.

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Old 12-11-2012, 01:50 PM   #28
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Skill wins elite Boxing matches. Anyone who doesn't think so should find another sport.

If muscle won fights then Jeff Lacy would be the GOAT.
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Old 12-11-2012, 01:59 PM   #29
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all of that plus ..... the coincidental foot stepping and the result is an obvious KO of the year.

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The real question is: would that work vs Floyd?

- would be Marquez in the same shape .... no .... he would be blood drained form
tens Ollimpic tests done before the fight, and he would be cheated again on
the scale so no fantastic shape and additional weight disadvantage

- would be Floyd timed properly .... Floyd is safety first so it is hard to time someone who rolls his shoulder more often than he throws punches.

- would be Floyd out of position: yes but in the other direction since Floyd moves backward never forward

- failing into shot: never as mentioned above

- punch connected to the jaw: not, since Floyds jaw is always protected by his shoulder

- foot stepping: I doubt this would work in Marquez favor, it would bring the traditional elbow shots and the cheap sneaky punches (during the break and after the bell) to the table
Nothing is impossible but I would never favor Marquez over Mayweather as is. Marquez is an elite counter puncher, maybe the best, but Mayweather's reach and mobility forces him out of his comfort zone and into the aggressor role that's he not nearly as effective at.
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Old 12-11-2012, 02:03 PM   #30
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Skill wins elite Boxing matches. Anyone who doesn't think so should find another sport.

If muscle won fights then Jeff Lacy would be the GOAT.
Its somehow simplification, if the skill ALONE wins then Marquez
would be OFFICIALLY 4-0 vs PAC.
You did not assume here that the other boxer has his own skills.

Marquez skill was enough to get him to the point where he is now.
But his skill was not enough to get a nod in three previous fights with PAC
not even his skill was impressive enough to get pass Chris John
and he was just barely beating OLD Barrera, not mentioning
all the schooling he got from Floyd.

So skill alone is enough when you fight unskilled opponent,
but when you fight someone as skilled as you, then you need
other advantages in the pocket. Additional pop was a good choice
vs PAC, that would probably be enough to knock out Chris John as well but
that probably would not work vs Mayweather, simply Marquez style is wrong vs
Maywether, he is not aggressive enough to capitalize with his style and muscles.

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