The all things technical thread.

[SkillspayBills]

Broners good he mixes well, digs to the body and can lead and draw leads to counter. Classier of the world champions around at present as you say..

[slip&counter]

I think being a big puncher is not a prerequisite to being a good finisher. That's why Broner really impresses me when he's finishing. He's not really a massive puncher but he smells blood and makes the right choices.

Great finishers push fighters over the brink. They smell blood and rarely let men off the hook. Even when their opponents aren't critically hurt they have an inate sense of the circumstances and they take care of business.

Some guys will have their man hurt and not even realise it.

[PaddyD1983]

Originally Posted by SkillspayBills

Yep i think when i look back on old fights the guys mentality was more savage even back in 90's.

The mentality and willingness to let go of big punches and time them and throw them properly and punch through is missing with a lot of guys nowadays.

Personally, I think this is inherent of the amateur/olympic scoring model that has been in place for a while. I'd be interested to know see if there is a direct correlation to that scoring system coming in (around '92 I think) to pro's finishing prowess/aggression. I'm speculating at this point, but it would make sense to me if that was the reason (or at least one of many). If you spend ten years as an am simply trying to land rather than trying to get your opponent out of there then that will be a hard habit to break and you may not necessarily realise you even need to work on that skill until later in your pro career.

[brown bomber]

I think boxing is more heavily patrolled half the guys Nigel Benn ko'd wouldn't have licences now

[Dennison]

Just found this thread and recently I've decided I'm going to go to a gym for the first time in a few months after mullering over it, just trying to get a fitness base for now, but this thread will give me plenty of studying material!

[D_Andrade]

Judah is one of the best finishers imo

[norfolkinchance]

Originally Posted by Dennison

Just found this thread and recently I've decided I'm going to go to a gym for the first time in a few months after mullering over it, just trying to get a fitness base for now, but this thread will give me plenty of studying material!

there is a wealth of knowledge in this thread.

would definately help anyone looking to elarn to box!

[SkillspayBills]

Let's talk Veteran moves, Those dirty tactics so to speak .

Notice anything here? .

http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/j/MSNBC/Co...otoblog900.jpg

[Beeston Brawler]

They both did it constantly in the 2nd and 3rd fights.

Getting the outside position is key to both, especially Pacquiao, so Marquez does all he can to keep him from getting it.

[SkillspayBills]

He got revenge on him cos the KD for Pac, Manny did same thing. It's a move that gets pulled up 9 times out of 10 but doesn't in there fights. Am's do it a fair bit when they've gained a bit of experience.

Paddy totally agree with your post BTW .

[slip&counter]

Marquez is a smart old man. Losts of fighters have their little 'tricks'. Barrera used to borderline go low and then hit you with combinations whilst you were distracted or looked at the ref. Ali would grab opponents neck so they couldn’t infight, Hopkins and Frazier beat on opponents hips, Trinidad shouldered you and then threw a wicked right hand, some fighters hit on the blindside of the ref, Andre Ward blindfolds his opponents with his lead hand.

There is a difference between being outright dirty and being tricky though. Eusebio Pedroza for example was outright dirty, Abner Mares is a dirty bugger today. I don't think Marquez did that purposely, it's just one of those things that happens with the styles of both guys and the way they come together. Marquez is just a smarter fighter, Manny's physical gifts give him problems but Marquez' positioning is so much better.

They should have studied the film and done the same thing back to Marquez. If i thought someone was being dirty against my fighter, i would advise them to do the same thing back, don't overlook any indiscretion. Anything a fighter does to you, you can do to them.

[Beeston Brawler]

Mayweather's tactic of leaving the forearm/elbow raised against Hatton is another example.

Because Hatton was rushing in all the time he was basically taking two right hands every time one landed - the punch and then whatever was behind it, which also had the added bonus (if you're Floyd) of blocking the left hand that was generally incoming.

[SkillspayBills]

The 3rd fight as BB said JMM did it numerous times, Manny did it back in 4th but Juan got the last laugh .

Mares is a horrible fighter, dirty with the elbow as well as going low. There's no subtle about it either..

[Jdsm]

Hopkins is great at the dirty tricks.

[SkillspayBills]

Yep there's a vid where he talks shop with Smitty and shows the little hip shots and shots to middrift on inside and blindside of ref.