Rank Barrera, Morales and Marquez - Page 3

Imperial1 · 12-11-2012, 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by anj

My pick is 1. Barrera 2. Marquez 3. Morales

Barrera's greatest wins:
Erik Morales - Got the upper hand on Morales. He won the first fight and the third fight. Morales won the second.
Prince Naseem Hamed - legendary dismantling of a great fighter
Johnny Tapia
Paulie Ayala
Kennedy McKinney
- Came VERY close with Marquez in 2007, Barrera was past it in 2007.

Marquez's greatest wins:
Pacman 4 - What a KO. Marquez had lost a lot of speed, and had tailored more of his game towards pacing himself like a true counter puncher, trying to get the KO as planned. Marquez did not go into this fight to get a decision win. Nor did Pacquiao. Marquez was 39 years old and his speed was no way near fight 1.
Arguably he won at least 2 of the 3 other fights against Pacquiao.
Derrick Gainer
Juan Diaz
Orlando Salido
Marco Antonio Barrera - only just, and Barrera was not in his prime, and Barrera arguably won that fight, Lederman thinks Barrera won by two rounds.
- His resume has the least impressive names.

Morales' greatest wins:
He won the second fight but he finished second place to Barrera.
Manny 1 - still, he finished second in this trilogy - Manny's weight draining and off-prime fighting tactics were in play for this trilogy however. Erik in the second fight looked DEAD during the weigh in.
Junior Jones - Hello Barrera
Ayala
Jesus Chavez
McCullough
In-Jin Chi
Espadas Jr - Before the Morales loss, he was a beast. Morales ruined his career and he was losing to bums as a result.

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This is very hard as they're all virtually even. A hairs width separates these three fighters. I think I could probably even change my mind as a result.

Outside of Manny who really on Marquez resume can compare to :

Chavez,McCullough ,Ayala ,Chi ,Jones Espades for Morales ? Diaz ,Katsisdas ,Casamayor?Gainer ? Jesus Chavez most likly

And for Barrera : Morales ,McKinny ,Hamed ?

Em and Barrera have much stronger resumes ..Before Manny there wasn't much on his resume to really keep him up there with those 2 .Now with the win over Manny it moves him up right behind him ..But this really needs to be asked a few yrs from now ..Right now JMM is the greatest Mexican boxer ever as well as greatest to ever consider the sport in boxing Mexico right now more dust needs to settle.

BobDigi5060 · 12-11-2012, 05:37 PM

Marquez is head and shoulders above both, he rivals Chavez as Chavez' record is padded to fuck.

Addie · 12-11-2012, 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by BobDigi5060

Marquez is head and shoulders above both, he rivals Chavez as Chavez' record is padded to fuck.

What Chavez fights have you seen?

Nonito Smoak · 12-11-2012, 05:42 PM

JMM
Morales
Barrera

And somewhat clearly...

Addie · 12-11-2012, 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Nonito Smoak

JMM
Morales
Barrera

And somewhat clearly...

Care to provide us with some reasoning?

IntentionalButt · 12-11-2012, 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Addie

Care to provide us with some reasoning?

Oi, you,

Saw this, yeah?

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IntentionalButt · 12-11-2012, 06:15 PM

I'm just glad that Marquez is now in the conversation with his peers. Five years ago he wasn't and it didn't seem like the door was open for him to ever be.

Addie · 12-11-2012, 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by IntentionalButt

Oi, you,

Saw this, yeah?

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Indeed. Thanks for campaigning to have my ban removed, IB. I really missed this place.

Arcane · 12-11-2012, 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by IntentionalButt

I'm just glad that Marquez is now in the conversation with his peers. Five years ago he wasn't and it didn't seem like the door was open for him to ever be.

It's this win that really puts him up there with the other two, before last saturday his legacy was built almost entirely off his draw and losses to Pacquiao but now he finally has that golden career moment that lifts his standing to a level that his skills have deserved for so long.

PityTheFool · 12-11-2012, 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Addie

Indeed. Thanks for campaigning to have my ban removed, IB. I really missed this place.

I'm glad you're back as well Addie.When I joined you were the first person to show me a modicum of civility when you posted on an argument/debate regarding Barrera/Morales and I was getting some pelters.

Porgeous Porge · 12-11-2012, 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by IntentionalButt

I'm just glad that Marquez is now in the conversation with his peers. Five years ago he wasn't and it didn't seem like the door was open for him to ever be.

I remember when they used to say Rafael was the better brother

Ranking these guys is no easy task

I mean I have seen people argue that Morales deserved 2 over MAB some say MAB won the series rightfully

Some have had MAB over JMM in that fight

Morales and JMM beat Pac and MAB didnt but thats not criteria all by itself though significant

JMM sticks out now due to last weekend and the fact that MAB has been gone awhile ago and that Morales just got KO'd bad

but its been a long time ago but Barrera beat Hamed and that was huge at the time

Morales and MAB were at their best when i was young and just starting to really understand the sport, JMM i have a biased toward since i have seen more of him

tough call i have no answer

PJ · 12-11-2012, 06:42 PM

I am gonna tell it like it is and then close this thread...

JMM probably will go down as #2 out of Mexico. One of the best technicians ever. Has way too many wins against great/good consistent competition. This Pacman win and at least one other puts him on top.

MAB is a solid fighter and had a good wins and is top 10 out of Mexico. He lost to Junior Jones in his prime when EM fk'd Poison up.

EM is the baddest dude on the planet. Excellent boxer and brawls when there is no need to. Balls to the wall style even when he was way past his prime. My favorite fighter out of Mexico and is probably top 5.

huitzi · 12-11-2012, 06:44 PM

Poll speaks by itself, before Pac-Marquez 4 i already had JMM ahead of MAB and just a bit over Morales, the stuff his accomplished at the late stage of his carrer is impresive, his dedication for the sport, older than MAB and EM, and hes been at top level for a very long time, i believe last weekends win gives him a clear edge over MAB and EM.

PityTheFool · 12-11-2012, 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by PJ

I am gonna tell it like it is and then close this thread...

JMM probably will go down as #2 out of Mexico. One of the best technicians ever. Has way too many wins against great/good consistent competition. This Pacman win and at least one other puts him on top.

MAB is a solid fighter and had a good wins and is top 10 out of Mexico. He lost to Junior Jones in his prime when EM fk'd Poison up.

EM is the baddest dude on the planet. Excellent boxer and brawls when there is no need to. Balls to the wall style even when he was way past his prime. My favorite fighter out of Mexico and is probably top 5.

Sorry,top 5 what? Out of Mexico?
Serious question.

Daruf · 12-11-2012, 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by huitzi

Poll speaks by itself, before Pac-Marquez 4 i already had JMM ahead of MAB and just a bit over Morales, the stuff his accomplished at the late stage of his carrer is impresive, his dedication for the sport, older than MAB and EM, and hes been at top level for a very long time, i believe last weekends win gives him a clear edge over MAB and EM.

This, JMM was ahead of Morales and MB based on resume and longevity even before KOing Pac.

Now he is well ahead and resides in a different stratosphere, EM and MAB are still great though.

View Poll Results: Rank Barrera, Morales and Marquez against eachother
Marco Antonio Barrera	9	14.29%
Erik Morales	10	15.87%
Juan Manuel Marquez	44	69.84%
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IntentionalButt Nash Equilibrium Debunker East Side VIP Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Boston Posts: 123,310 vCash: 0	Re: Rank Barrera, Morales and Marquez I'm just glad that Marquez is now in the conversation with his peers. Five years ago he wasn't and it didn't seem like the door was open for him to ever be.
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PJ Contender ESB Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: RGV Posts: 977 vCash: 1000	Re: Rank Barrera, Morales and Marquez I am gonna tell it like it is and then close this thread... JMM probably will go down as #2 out of Mexico. One of the best technicians ever. Has way too many wins against great/good consistent competition. This Pacman win and at least one other puts him on top. MAB is a solid fighter and had a good wins and is top 10 out of Mexico. He lost to Junior Jones in his prime when EM fk'd Poison up. EM is the baddest dude on the planet. Excellent boxer and brawls when there is no need to. Balls to the wall style even when he was way past his prime. My favorite fighter out of Mexico and is probably top 5.
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12-11-2012, 06:44 PM	#43
huitzi Contender ESB Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 744 vCash: 0	Re: Rank Barrera, Morales and Marquez Poll speaks by itself, before Pac-Marquez 4 i already had JMM ahead of MAB and just a bit over Morales, the stuff his accomplished at the late stage of his carrer is impresive, his dedication for the sport, older than MAB and EM, and hes been at top level for a very long time, i believe last weekends win gives him a clear edge over MAB and EM.
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