How bad is the Ring P4P top ten?

R.I.P Sky · 12-11-2012, 08:06 PM

1. Mayweather
2. Ward
3. JMM
4. Martinez
5. Broner
6. Donaire
7. Pacquiao
8. Klitschko
9. Bradley
10. Guerrero

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The Spider · 12-11-2012, 08:35 PM

Easy to critisize. How do you think it should read??

Lionel Richie · 12-11-2012, 11:45 PM

Their Welter list has Kell Brook at 5, above Bradley IBF, Alexander WBO, Ortis and Malinaggi WBA, I'm a Brook fan, but just sayin.....

larsker · 12-12-2012, 12:26 AM

remove broner and Guerrero and add mares and viloria to no 9 and 10 and then list is pretty fair

Lilo · 12-12-2012, 01:14 AM

Shit list IMO but people have different criteria on these things.

The Chosen · 12-12-2012, 02:12 AM

Bradley should be no where near the top 10.

The Buture · 12-12-2012, 02:20 AM

Not bad for me.

Id have Wlad higher, Broner lower or not in it, Guerrero out.

Lilo · 12-12-2012, 02:26 AM

1. Mayweather
2. Juan Manuel Marquez
3. Nonito Donaire
4. Wladimir Klit
5. Sergio Martinez
6. Andre Ward
7. Manny Pac
8. Vitali
9. Mares
10. Guerrero

That's my list right now. It changes everytime I think about it.

I do think that Haye would be in there if he fought more often as the weight differential in his fights are frankly ridiculous. He fought Wlad with a 32lb difference, which is nearly the equivalent to a light welter (say Khan) fighting a light heavy (say Clev). Even if you look at the difference in terms of a percentage of their body weight then its still massive and I don't think the lighter heavyweights get enough credit for this in P4P ratings.

Lilo · 12-12-2012, 02:27 AM

If Broner is in it then Ricky Burns should be. They are both two weight titlists but Ricky has more/better wins.

bigboxingfan · 12-12-2012, 03:24 AM

Horrible list.

Beeston Brawler · 12-12-2012, 03:35 AM

1. Marquez
2. Floyd
3. Ward
4. Wlad
5. Pacquiao
6. Donaire
7. Martinez
8. Froch
9. Viloria
10. Mares

upgrayedd · 12-12-2012, 03:56 AM

The Ring P4P is a pretty blinkered / US centric list, but then I wouldn't expect any less.

Definately kick Broner out though.

dftaylor · 12-12-2012, 04:01 AM

How can Pac have dropped to 7 after losing a fight he was winning? Ever since that hack Rosenthal took charge The Ring has been dreadful.

Lilo · 12-12-2012, 04:07 AM

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Originally Posted by dftaylor

How can Pac have dropped to 7 after losing a fight he was winning? Ever since that hack Rosenthal took charge The Ring has been dreadful.

He's lost two of three (whether its two against JMM or one each against JMM and Bradley doesn't matter) didn't look great against Mosley either. Does 'seem' a bit harsh though but I suppose it doesn't matter if he's winning when he gets knocked unconscious IMO

Another thing that effects P4P lists is how far back in time do you look? I mean do fights won 3+ years become irrelevant? Do we look at the whole career? Do we look only at the past 18 months? Think of lists where you consider a full career and then do one based only on the past 1/3/5 years. They'll vary greatly.

upgrayedd · 12-12-2012, 04:24 AM

If you look at some of the names in the top 10, and some of the names that have been in there in recent years in the lower end, if it were me I'd maybe cut the list down to a top 5, if you wanted it to mean a little more.

12-11-2012, 08:06 PM	#1
R.I.P Sky Contender ESB Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 508 vCash: 500	How bad is the Ring P4P top ten? 1. Mayweather 2. Ward 3. JMM 4. Martinez 5. Broner 6. Donaire 7. Pacquiao 8. Klitschko 9. Bradley 10. Guerrero [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]
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12-11-2012, 08:35 PM	#2
The Spider boogidy boogidy boogidy East Side Guru Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 9,522 vCash: 454	Re: How bad is the Ring P4P top ten? Easy to critisize. How do you think it should read??
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Lionel Richie Ladies Man Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Alabama Posts: 26 vCash: 500	Re: How bad is the Ring P4P top ten? Their Welter list has Kell Brook at 5, above Bradley IBF, Alexander WBO, Ortis and Malinaggi WBA, I'm a Brook fan, but just sayin.....
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larsker Contender ESB Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 1,009 vCash: 75	Re: How bad is the Ring P4P top ten? remove broner and Guerrero and add mares and viloria to no 9 and 10 and then list is pretty fair
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Lilo Belt holder ESB Addict Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Hong Kong via Sunderland Posts: 3,605 vCash: 500	Re: How bad is the Ring P4P top ten? Shit list IMO but people have different criteria on these things.
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The Chosen Bada Bing! Bada Boom! ESB Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: In Your Wet Dreams Posts: 876 vCash: 1000	Re: How bad is the Ring P4P top ten? Bradley should be no where near the top 10.
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The Buture Journeyman ESB Jr Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 102 vCash: 500	Re: How bad is the Ring P4P top ten? Not bad for me. Id have Wlad higher, Broner lower or not in it, Guerrero out.
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Lilo Belt holder ESB Addict Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Hong Kong via Sunderland Posts: 3,605 vCash: 500	Re: How bad is the Ring P4P top ten? 1. Mayweather 2. Juan Manuel Marquez 3. Nonito Donaire 4. Wladimir Klit 5. Sergio Martinez 6. Andre Ward 7. Manny Pac 8. Vitali 9. Mares 10. Guerrero That's my list right now. It changes everytime I think about it. I do think that Haye would be in there if he fought more often as the weight differential in his fights are frankly ridiculous. He fought Wlad with a 32lb difference, which is nearly the equivalent to a light welter (say Khan) fighting a light heavy (say Clev). Even if you look at the difference in terms of a percentage of their body weight then its still massive and I don't think the lighter heavyweights get enough credit for this in P4P ratings.
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Lilo Belt holder ESB Addict Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Hong Kong via Sunderland Posts: 3,605 vCash: 500	Re: How bad is the Ring P4P top ten? If Broner is in it then Ricky Burns should be. They are both two weight titlists but Ricky has more/better wins.
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upgrayedd Journeyman Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 88 vCash: 500	Re: How bad is the Ring P4P top ten? The Ring P4P is a pretty blinkered / US centric list, but then I wouldn't expect any less. Definately kick Broner out though.
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upgrayedd Journeyman Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 88 vCash: 500	Re: How bad is the Ring P4P top ten? If you look at some of the names in the top 10, and some of the names that have been in there in recent years in the lower end, if it were me I'd maybe cut the list down to a top 5, if you wanted it to mean a little more.
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