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Old 12-11-2012, 08:37 PM   #1306
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mares is a dirty little fighter ward can be aswell.even al bernstein mentioned it in mares last fight and al don't make rash decisions
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Old 12-12-2012, 03:07 AM   #1307
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How anyone who has seen his fights can think he's an innocent party is beyond me. I'm a fan of Mares but that first Agbeko fight was disgusting and left a bad taste in my mouth. I don't mind roughhouse tactics but he was being clearly and intentionally illegal and he new the ref wouldn't say anything to him. That's why he was so blatant.

I also want to point something else out in that fight, which sickened me. Agbeko’s corner did him a MASSIVE disservice. They should have been ALL over the referee. I also think Agbeko did himself a disservice. There is no way he should have allowed a man to tee off on his groin like that and not do the same in return. Most fighters who break the rules whether knowingly or unknowingly, don’t enjoy when the same rules are broken against them. Some of the best fighters you will ever see are rule stretchers. If the ref is not going to stop them, then freaking do it back to them and see how they like it. Agbeko is a man’s man, but he should have went low right back at Mares.

Mares has to be becareful. One of these days the chickens are ganna come home to roost...
Spot on Slip, I saw the highlights of the fight and it was embarrassing to see. Even Darchinyian complained about Mares straying low..

I sparred my mate about 6 months back and i like to body punch even as a kid. He's 6'2 and i'm 5'9/5'10 so i'm the little guy in this, I threw a uppercut to body and he leaned and hopped back from it. Caught him right on his piece i'd say due to him changing range from mid to long and extension of my glove caught him. First thing i did was show out to him with the glove, we touched gloves and i made sure i kept my work up.

I've seen better bodypunchers then Mares not stray low consistently like his has.

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mares is a dirty little fighter ward can be aswell.even al bernstein mentioned it in mares last fight and al don't make rash decisions
Yep agreed. My missus woke up while i was watching the Moreno fight an she said halfway through ''that little guy is dirty, he's hitting low a lot''. That video Slip posted shows how much Mares knows a low blow can debilitate a fighter.

He's good fighter not doubting that but don't like the dirtyness. Horrible to see IMHO.
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Old 12-12-2012, 03:22 AM   #1308
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I never called him a 'scumbag'. I'm actually a fan of his. And if you were around on this site in about 2009 you will remember me hyping this kid up. But it's just my opinion that he's intentionally dirty. I don't see much wrong with roughouse tactics but intentional low blows are below the belt (no pun intended). I actually admire fighters who can incorporate some roughhouse tactics and use it to their advantage. It's up to the opponent to raise hell. You can admit a fighter is dirty, and still be a fan.
Apologies, I wasn't referring to you slip in that post calling him a scumbag . But I have seen stuff like that posted about him on ESB before & it's an overreaction IMO
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Old 12-12-2012, 03:28 AM   #1309
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Was probably me .
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Old 12-12-2012, 03:37 AM   #1310
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He's a dirty fighter. So was Pedroza though, although he was brilliant so I let him off
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Old 12-12-2012, 04:51 AM   #1311
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Seen a few videos of Hopkins talking and he knows so much technically, think he would make a VERY good trainer
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Old 12-12-2012, 07:59 AM   #1312
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Apologies, I wasn't referring to you slip in that post calling him a scumbag . But I have seen stuff like that posted about him on ESB before & it's an overreaction IMO
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Seen a few videos of Hopkins talking and he knows so much technically, think he would make a VERY good trainer
Hopkins is a master, but i think he'd be a better advisor than a trainer. I don't think he'd have the patience to be an effective trainer and work with someone day in day out from the get-go.

It's rare that great fighters turn into great trainers for that reason.
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Old 12-12-2012, 08:08 AM   #1313
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i thin k hopkins would be superb too.

and he improved himself and his bag of tricks too as his career progressed so think he could pass it onto others.
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Old 12-12-2012, 08:13 AM   #1314
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He's a dirty fighter. So was Pedroza though, although he was brilliant so I let him off
I love Pedroza, so i let him off too. But my word he was dirty.

For me Pedroza is no worse than the 6th or 7th greatest featherweight ever. He was a wonderful fighter. It’s a shame we never got to see him against Sanchez, Gomez or even Azumah Nelson. Had he beat one of those 3, his historical status would have sky rocketed. As it sits he’s still an all time great.

I think he would have been a handful for all three. Maybe a bit controversial, but i think he may have beaten Salvador Sanchez (and i love Sanchez even more). Sanchez liked to counterpunch and Pedroza would have laid back, i think he would've edged a super close decision. Imagine that historically. WOW!

I think Pedroza gets lost in the sauce because he wasn’t always exciting. He sort of did just enough to win, changing his style like a chameleon depending on the opponent. Sort of like a Bernard Hopkins, but he didn’t speak English and he didn’t have the charisma of say a Duran.
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Old 12-12-2012, 07:35 PM   #1315
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Fellas, this is Amir Khan workout with Virgil Hunter if anyone is interested or would like to give their thoughts. What i've noticed from this is that Virgil is trying to get Khan to throw curve balls by not fighting at the same speed all the time, but mixing his punches up. Trying to also improve his ring generalship. The other thing i noticed is he's teaching him the basic blocking technique. Getting him to block punches and then counter back quickly. This is something i've NEVER seen Khan working on. With Freddie Roach it seemed like everything was at the same pace and he wasn't worrying about what was coming back. I'd be surprised if anyone actually even taught him how to block a punch as Hunter is doing here.

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fbpxv9ojDo8[/ame]


Blocking is the most basic of boxing defense. It's the best defensive technique for Khan because it's the easiest to learn the quickiest and doesn't require a lot of natural defensive reflexes which Khan doesn't have. Blocking for me is also the easiest way to defend without taking yourself out of range and requires little energy.

That's the reason i think Hunter has chosen blocking for Khan. Blocking is not a first defensive skill, it’s a first COUNTER OFFENSIVE skill. You see Hunter throwing punches at Khan and Khan simply covers his vulnerable areas, doesn't try to “catch” the punch, and fires back after he blocks. Blocking also covers both head and body and doesn’t leave you open to follow up punches.

It remains to be seen how Khan transfers this to a real fight. I personally think he has too many bad habits and they're too ingrained for him to improve significantly enough. But Virgil Hunter is a genius of a trainer.

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Old 12-12-2012, 07:59 PM   #1316
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Dont know if you caught this Slip, a behind the ropes special that was on earlier tonight that has some really good sections. I found it fascinating watching Hunter working with Khan, he's such an interesting man to listen to.

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pqKzy40fn5w&feature=plcp[/ame]
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Old 12-13-2012, 02:37 AM   #1317
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I love Pedroza and think he'd have beaten Sal' but I'm not sure he's really all that great a featherweight.

Marcel looks better on film.

Of course I uploaded a fair bit of Pedroza to YouTube; love the guy. But he wasn't the no.1 feather for all that long, never faced the no.1/2 and his best opponent (Lockridge) ran him VERY close, twice.

Still, if anyone has seen Sanchez struggle with Ford and then seen Pedroza outclass him to the point of embarrassment they'll know how good the Panamanian was.

Sanchez struggled against quick jabbers anyway; Castillo gave him a LOT of hassle, which the Sal' fanboys don't like to mention.
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Old 12-13-2012, 02:39 AM   #1318
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Dont know if you caught this Slip, a behind the ropes special that was on earlier tonight that has some really good sections. I found it fascinating watching Hunter working with Khan, he's such an interesting man to listen to.

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Khan will learn nothing from him. Watched it, kid is thick as pigshit despite Hunters good intentions.

Also, Hunter is an arrogant nob.
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Old 12-13-2012, 06:36 AM   #1319
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As i say i think he's for me the 6th or 7th greatest featherweight ever. 7 years as champ. Record title defenses, which he should get a lot more credit for. Juan La Porte, Lockridge, Taylor, Lujan, Royal Kobashi, Ford all good names. The level of his opposition was on the most part very good. But that's why it would've been great to seem him with the likes of Sanchez, Gomez and Nelson. History changing bouts they would have been.

He was really a complete fighter, maybe sometimes we put too much emphasis on him being 'dirty' but he was MUCH more than that. A chameleon, very talented and skilled. Freak of a featherweight with his height, output and aggression and he was also very smart.

What makes him even better for me is. Pedroza was knocked out cold 3 times before he ever won the featherweight title while he was a bantamweight. He was around 19 or 20 years old at the time. He moved up to featherweight, became more savvy, more of a technician and was never stopped again in the last 16 years of his career.

Just a man, who as i say gets lost in the sauce of all those other great names at the time.
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Old 12-13-2012, 06:41 AM   #1320
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Dont know if you caught this Slip, a behind the ropes special that was on earlier tonight that has some really good sections. I found it fascinating watching Hunter working with Khan, he's such an interesting man to listen to.

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Cheers for that, Mo. I'll watch it later.

You got any thoughts on what you've seen?

It's a shame Khan never found someone like Hunter earlier, as i fear it may be too late for him. Also, I don't know if this is true, but i was told that Khan's first choice was Naseem Richardson, but Naseem told him he was fighting at the wrong weight and he would only train him if he moved up. But Khan disagreed and said he wanted to stay at light welter.
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