Wladimir Klitschko vs. Rocky Marciano

[dinovelvet]

Originally Posted by KidDynamite

To be fair, waldo does have a pulverizing jab ... Its definitely one of the hardest ive seen

But he still freaks out if hes not in control of his opponent and has pesented a stamina problem through out his career ... If the rock can take him to the later rounds he should be able to score the ko

Heart alone got Brewster a victory over prime steward wlad ... Rocks got plenty of it

No doubt he's got serious power, but the technique isn't there. Without his huge power it would be useless.
The Rock fought on half blind once and another time with his face split in half, and won. Wlad calls it a day after he takes a few clean punches.

[Seamus]

Some also have failed to identify Wlad's greatest asset in controlling fights over the past 7 or 8 years, even moreso than his jab.

It's his footwork. He has great footwork for a big man, unhinging attacks, resetting the action (which goes contrary to the assertion that he is a chin-out jabber). It's another thing, outside of his power, that his opponents and sparring partners note unanimously. Byrd, who is far more agile, mobile and balanced than Marciano ever dreamed of, said that was the major difference between their two fights. Wlad was never where he was trying to put him in the second fight, that he had uncanny movement for a big man and it was just too hard to get at him. But why listen to to guys who have actually been in the ring with the man?

The Rock was a lot smarter than guys gave him credit for but he was also rather oafish for his lilliputian dimensions. I just see a long, sustained beating from a distance here. Beatdown, reset, beatdown. Sound familiar? It's been the same boring but effective recipe for the better part of a decade's dominance over the division.

[orriray59]

Originally Posted by Seamus

Some also have failed to identify Wlad's greatest asset in controlling fights over the past 7 or 8 years, even moreso than his jab.

It's his footwork. He has great footwork for a big man, unhinging attacks, resetting the action (which goes contrary to the assertion that he is a chin-out jabber). It's another thing, outside of his power, that his opponents and sparring partners note unanimously. Byrd, who is far more agile, mobile and balanced than Marciano ever dreamed of, said that was the major difference between their two fights. Wlad was never where he was trying to put him in the second fight, that he had uncanny movement for a big man and it was just too hard to get at him. But why listen to to guys who have actually been in the ring with the man?

The Rock was a lot smarter than guys gave him credit for but he was also rather oafish for his lilliputian dimensions. I just see a long, sustained beating from a distance here. Beatdown, reset, beatdown. Sound familiar? It's been the same boring but effective recipe for the better part of a decade's dominance over the division.

I concur with every single word. Wladimir's an amazing athlete all round, really.

[dinovelvet]

Originally Posted by Seamus

Some also have failed to identify Wlad's greatest asset in controlling fights over the past 7 or 8 years, even moreso than his jab.

It's his footwork. He has great footwork for a big man, unhinging attacks, resetting the action (which goes contrary to the assertion that he is a chin-out jabber). It's another thing, outside of his power, that his opponents and sparring partners note unanimously. Byrd, who is far more agile, mobile and balanced than Marciano ever dreamed of, said that was the major difference between their two fights. Wlad was never where he was trying to put him in the second fight, that he had uncanny movement for a big man and it was just too hard to get at him. But why listen to to guys who have actually been in the ring with the man?

The Rock was a lot smarter than guys gave him credit for but he was also rather oafish for his lilliputian dimensions. I just see a long, sustained beating from a distance here. Beatdown, reset, beatdown. Sound familiar? It's been the same boring but effective recipe for the better part of a decade's dominance over the division.

What an absolute joke. Byrd was nothing at HW. He was useless. A shot to shit , no jab, slow Golota beat Byrd without even throwing power shots. Whats worse is that it took you a coulpe of days to come up with that tripe.

[lufcrazy]

Originally Posted by dinovelvet

What an absolute joke. Byrd was nothing at HW. He was useless. A shot to shit , no jab, slow Golota beat Byrd without even throwing power shots. Whats worse is that it took you a coulpe of days to come up with that tripe.

Fukin hell I get it now you're just trolling.

Byrd is garbage and wlad has no jab. Lol you had us going mate, well played.

[orriray59]

Originally Posted by lufcrazy

Fukin hell I get it now you're just trolling.

Byrd is garbage and wlad has no jab. Lol you had us going mate, well played.

Yeah, I think he's fucking with us at this point as well.
If he's not, well then. He's a lunatic. He praises Roland LaStarza as some great Marciano win, and one of his signature victories, slamming Wlad saying he has none.

Yet Byrd is a much more accomplished heavyweight than LaStarza. Insane.

[dinovelvet]

Originally Posted by lufcrazy

Fukin hell I get it now you're just trolling.

Byrd is garbage and wlad has no jab. Lol you had us going mate, well played.

Never said he had no jab.

Byrd did nothing at HW. Your critical facilities weigh the same as a bag of feathers.

[dinovelvet]

Originally Posted by lufcrazy

Fukin hell I get it now you're just trolling.

Byrd is garbage and wlad has no jab. Lol you had us going mate, well played.

Pointing your finger , throwing insults instead of boxing talk is the definition of trolling. Its you seamus, and that other clown who hold the monopoly on that, not me.

[lufcrazy]

Originally Posted by dinovelvet

Never said he had no jab.

Byrd did nothing at HW. Your critical facilities weigh the same as a bag of feathers.

I'd love to see a bag of feathers critique anything it's all good mate, you reeled us in and we fell for it

[dinovelvet]

Originally Posted by lufcrazy

I'd love to see a bag of feathers critique anything it's all good mate, you reeled us in and we fell for it

You're calling me a troll for defending Marciano and criticizing Byrd? You're a waste of space.

[orriray59]

Originally Posted by dinovelvet

You're calling me a troll for defending Marciano and criticizing Byrd? Your a waste of space.

You're not criticizing Byrd you fucking mongoloid, you're straight up calling him garbage. You're saying he was a complete nobody at heavyweight.

A nobody who beat Jameel McCline, Fres Oquendo, Evander Holyfield, David Tua, Vitali Klitschko, etc.
Ridiculous posting. You can defend Marciano, but only to a reasonable point. You've given praise to Rocky for having a signature win against Roland LaStarza, yet slam Wlad for having such a nobody like Byrd on his resume, Byrd who's better than LaStarza.

I don't know if you're pulling our legs or are deadly serious, but you're logic doesn't make sense. You've seen clear tape of Wlad in action, yet you still unashamedly make up total bullshit about him.
Nearly every poster on here and the General accept that Wlad has a great jab. You call it lazy, yet by simply watching some footage of it in action you can very clearly see it's not.

This thread is one of the very worst I've ever posted in, and I feel like a right idiot for maintaining this conversation for so long.

[lufcrazy]

Originally Posted by dinovelvet

You're calling me a troll for defending Marciano and criticizing Byrd? You're a waste of space.

stop it you're killing me here.

The best part was saying pulev had a better jab than wlad hahahaha

[orriray59]

Originally Posted by lufcrazy

stop it you're killing me here.

The best part was saying pulev had a better jab than wlad hahahaha

Did he really say that? Holy shit.

[dinovelvet]

Tua was the fattest man to ever fight for a world title. He was done when Byrd got to him. Golota beat and dropped Byrd and he couldn't even throw his jab.

[orriray59]

Originally Posted by dinovelvet

Tua was the fattest man to ever fight for a world title. He was done when Byrd got to him. Golota beat and dropped Byrd and he couldn't even throw his jab.

I seem to remember earlier on you said Wlad's physique doesn't matter and that boxing isn't a bodybuilding contest, yet here you are, giving shit to Tua because he was "fat."

You really are a piece of work.