Roach: A year to remember

goby · 12-12-2012, 12:55 PM

Does anyone think he needs to change up his training to incorporate more emphasis on D? Khan, JCCjr, Pac--all extreme O and no good D. You can only get away with a power offense and good matchmaking for so long. At some point you will run into an opponent that can trade with you and not be hit as much during exchanges.

dwighttsharpe · 12-12-2012, 12:59 PM

Don't forget about Jorge Linares. Ko'd twice.

Roach is exposed, finally.

janeschicken · 12-12-2012, 01:00 PM

Nacho put a Voodoo curse on Roach when he asked for Freddie to autograph stuff before Marquez III. He went all Papa Shango on his azz:

http://ringsidereport.com/wp-content...ngo-header.jpg

sbbigmike · 12-12-2012, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by janeschicken

Nacho put a Voodoo curse on Roach when he asked for Freddie to autograph stuff before Marquez III. He went all Papa Shango on his azz:

http://ringsidereport.com/wp-content...ngo-header.jpg

Darni187 · 12-12-2012, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by janeschicken

Nacho put a Voodoo curse on Roach when he asked for Freddie to autograph stuff before Marquez III. He went all Papa Shango on his azz:

http://ringsidereport.com/wp-content...ngo-header.jpg

kommieforniaglo · 12-12-2012, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by goby

Does anyone think he needs to change up his training to incorporate more emphasis on D? Khan, JCCjr, Pac--all extreme O and no good D. You can only get away with a power offense and good matchmaking for so long. At some point you will run into an opponent that can trade with you and not be hit as much during exchanges.

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BigBone · 12-12-2012, 01:51 PM

Show some respect for one of the premier trainers in the game assholes!

box247 · 12-12-2012, 02:14 PM

He's had a bad year. Has been a good tactician, can't be that they picked bad opposition for all his fighters. Are there problems in training. He will have to make some changes. In addition to those listed above, he has a number of other fighters, many of who have done ok. But does he need to drop some?

gurby22 · 12-12-2012, 02:28 PM

He fell for his own hype.

blacktopbully · 12-12-2012, 02:35 PM

the guy is in the deep ravages of parkins

what do you guys expect?

Montero · 12-12-2012, 02:39 PM

Pac - was beating Marquez, but got caught slipping twice (not Roach's fault)

Kahn - was outboxing Garcia, got caught with equilibrium shot, didn't hold (not Roach's fault)

Chavez - fought a MUCH better fighter, was smoking pot during training camp (not Roach's fault)

The one thing I do notice here is a lack of discipline and focus. I do believe Roach is training too many fighters these days, but his superstars are responsible for their own discipline and focus. Roach can't force Chavez to give up drugs during camp. He can't force Pacquiao to quit one of his billion jobs and cut the giant entourage of leaches out of his life.

I think you guys are being disrespectful to Roach. Look at Manny's head movement and strategy against Marquez, it was GREAT. Had he stuck with the game plan and stayed focused, he was on his way to stopping the Mexican great.

brown-bomber · 12-12-2012, 02:42 PM

He has had the worst year for an elite trainer. But give the guy a break. He lives for boxing, it's a bit of a miracle how he carries out his work with his condition.
And also, it does boil down to the fighters at the end. Martinez & Marquez are p4p top 5, Junior had some erratic training behaviour. Khan decided to go macho and go toe to toe.

box247 · 12-12-2012, 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Montero

Pac - was beating Marquez, but got caught slipping twice (not Roach's fault)

Kahn - was outboxing Garcia, got caught with equilibrium shot, didn't hold (not Roach's fault)

Chavez - fought a MUCH better fighter, was smoking pot during training camp (not Roach's fault)

The one thing I do notice here is a lack of discipline and focus. I do believe Roach is training too many fighters these days, but his superstars are responsible for their own discipline and focus. Roach can't force Chavez to give up drugs during camp. He can't force Pacquiao to quit one of his billion jobs and cut the giant entourage of leaches out of his life.

I think you guys are being disrespectful to Roach. Look at Manny's head movement and strategy against Marquez, it was GREAT. Had he stuck with the game plan and stayed focused, he was on his way to stopping the Mexican great.

You could argue he didn't teach Pac and Khan defence or instil a discipline not to get trigger happy and be intelligent figthers and instil a discipline of hard work in JCC.

BagsWithDust · 12-12-2012, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by brown-bomber

He has had the worst year for an elite trainer. But give the guy a break. He lives for boxing, it's a bit of a miracle how he carries out his work with his condition.
And also, it does boil down to the fighters at the end. Martinez & Marquez are p4p top 5, Junior had some erratic training behaviour. Khan decided to go macho and go toe to toe.

I cant help but agree. His fighters lost to top opponents. however, i do feel that roach offensive style has been falling apart as of late, none of his fighters realy have good D and they get exposed hard

motownsiu · 12-12-2012, 02:50 PM

didn't he also train lateef kayode who got exposed by a part time fighter antonio tarver who did test positive for ped but with or without it kayode would have been exposed anyways.

12-12-2012, 12:55 PM	#1
goby Journeyman Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 74 vCash: 500	Roach: A year to remember Does anyone think he needs to change up his training to incorporate more emphasis on D? Khan, JCCjr, Pac--all extreme O and no good D. You can only get away with a power offense and good matchmaking for so long. At some point you will run into an opponent that can trade with you and not be hit as much during exchanges.
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12-12-2012, 12:59 PM	#2
dwighttsharpe Belt holder ESB Addict Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 3,128 vCash: 1000	Re: Roach: A year to remember Don't forget about Jorge Linares. Ko'd twice. Roach is exposed, finally.
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12-12-2012, 01:00 PM	#3
janeschicken hard work! deadicayshin! East Side VIP Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 10,847 vCash: 1442	Re: Roach: A year to remember Nacho put a Voodoo curse on Roach when he asked for Freddie to autograph stuff before Marquez III. He went all Papa Shango on his azz: http://ringsidereport.com/wp-content...ngo-header.jpg
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12-12-2012, 01:51 PM	#7
BigBone It was man, it fuckin was East Side VIP Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 37,001 vCash: 1000	Re: Roach: A year to remember Show some respect for one of the premier trainers in the game assholes!
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12-12-2012, 02:14 PM	#8
box247 Contender ESB Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 1,113 vCash: 75	Re: Roach: A year to remember He's had a bad year. Has been a good tactician, can't be that they picked bad opposition for all his fighters. Are there problems in training. He will have to make some changes. In addition to those listed above, he has a number of other fighters, many of who have done ok. But does he need to drop some?
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gurby22 Contender ESB Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 764 vCash: 4229	Re: Roach: A year to remember He fell for his own hype.
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blacktopbully Belt holder ESB Addict Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 4,862 vCash: 0	Re: Roach: A year to remember the guy is in the deep ravages of parkins what do you guys expect?
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12-12-2012, 02:39 PM	#11
Montero Left Hook from HELL!!! East Side Guru Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 8,276 vCash: 1000	Re: Roach: A year to remember Pac - was beating Marquez, but got caught slipping twice (not Roach's fault) Kahn - was outboxing Garcia, got caught with equilibrium shot, didn't hold (not Roach's fault) Chavez - fought a MUCH better fighter, was smoking pot during training camp (not Roach's fault) The one thing I do notice here is a lack of discipline and focus. I do believe Roach is training too many fighters these days, but his superstars are responsible for their own discipline and focus. Roach can't force Chavez to give up drugs during camp. He can't force Pacquiao to quit one of his billion jobs and cut the giant entourage of leaches out of his life. I think you guys are being disrespectful to Roach. Look at Manny's head movement and strategy against Marquez, it was GREAT. Had he stuck with the game plan and stayed focused, he was on his way to stopping the Mexican great.
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12-12-2012, 02:42 PM	#12
brown-bomber newbie Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 35 vCash: 500	Re: Roach: A year to remember He has had the worst year for an elite trainer. But give the guy a break. He lives for boxing, it's a bit of a miracle how he carries out his work with his condition. And also, it does boil down to the fighters at the end. Martinez & Marquez are p4p top 5, Junior had some erratic training behaviour. Khan decided to go macho and go toe to toe.
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12-12-2012, 02:50 PM	#15
motownsiu Champion East Side Guru Join Date: May 2009 Location: oakland, ca usa Posts: 5,115 vCash: 1000	Re: Roach: A year to remember didn't he also train lateef kayode who got exposed by a part time fighter antonio tarver who did test positive for ped but with or without it kayode would have been exposed anyways.
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