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Old 12-12-2012, 04:38 PM   #16
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are you mad i know your a floyd fan but you dont need to come out with this pathetic shit pac knocks jones out
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Old 12-12-2012, 04:38 PM   #17
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For the life of me I can't think of any fighter that's made a successful comeback after getting knocked out in their thirties. But that's just me. I'd like to be proved wrong.
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Old 12-12-2012, 04:40 PM   #18
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yall stop sh*ttin on Mike
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Old 12-12-2012, 04:42 PM   #19
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His chin sadly wont't be the same.

P. Williams iron chin - gets cracked by S. Martinez - never the same

Hatton iron chin - gets cracked by Mayweather - never the same

The interesting thing with Pac is that he got knocked down earlier in his fight with Marquez as well. That's definitely a clear sign. His chin is shot.
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Old 12-12-2012, 04:43 PM   #20
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For the life of me I can't think of any fighter that's made a successful comeback after getting knocked out in their thirties. But that's just me. I'd like to be proved wrong.
Not a big of a KO as JMM's but maybe Lewis vs Rahman? Then again that was more of a fluke and they fought only twice. Pac and JMM has had many wars and JMM has mastered that big overhand right.
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Old 12-12-2012, 04:45 PM   #21
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yall stop sh*ttin on Mike

i dont mind mike he just isnt beating pac i would have liked to see jones fight kell brook tho
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Old 12-12-2012, 04:48 PM   #22
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Every top fighter KO'd aged over thirty after many years in the game. Never returns to championship level.
Robert Duran beating Davey Moore and Iran Barkley for titles at 154 and 160 after being brutally KO'd in his 30s.

Lennox Lewis stopping Hasim Rahman, Mike Tyson, and Vitali Klitschko to end his career after the embarrassing Rahman knockout loss.

Archie Moore beating Willie Pastrano, Nino Valdes, Bobo Olson, Joey Maxim, Jimmy Bivins, Yvon Durelle, Bob Satterfield, and murderer's row Bert Lytell after suffering a number of KO losses in his 30s.

...it can be done and solid returns have happened. That said, I'm not so sure Pacquiao will be one of them. So I'd tend to agree that he'll never be the same. His style is so dependent on physical gifts (footspeed, handspeed, raw explosiveness). One bad KO loss can send a fighter like that on a downward spiral if it physiologically causes them to lose a step or two and makes it neurologically easier for opponents to disconnect them from their senses.
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Old 12-12-2012, 04:49 PM   #23
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Pac needs to fight someone with a low KO ratio next

A Malinaggi-type fighter. Malinaggi would have been perfect but with the war ongoing between Top Rank and Goldenboy there's sadly no chance of that happening.

It's a good thing Bradley is with Top Rank as well. Maybe Pac does possibly have a chance at regaining his belt. Although think I may have spoke to soon because Bradley does have a hell of an overhand right which put Peterson on his arse. So that fight in itself could be risky. Pac doesn't want to be seeing any overhand rights any time soon.
You are absolutely correct but to be honest anyone who he fights from here on out is likely to be prepared to sit down on their punches.

I don't know if I would even put him in with Bradley as you say he has a fairly good right hand. He really needs someone to save him from himself no matter what he thinks, he needs to take it easy because he could end up ruined - see Roy Jones who thought when he fought John Ruiz that a few years later he would be considered a glass jawed joke?
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Old 12-12-2012, 04:50 PM   #24
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His chin sadly wont't be the same.

P. Williams iron chin - gets cracked by S. Martinez - never the same

Hatton iron chin - gets cracked by Mayweather - never the same

The interesting thing with Pac is that he got knocked down earlier in his fight with Marquez as well. That's definitely a clear sign. His chin is shot.
what do you mean paul williams won his 2 fights after martinez i no lara was a robbery but his chin looked fine to me in that fight.
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Old 12-12-2012, 04:55 PM   #25
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For the life of me I can't think of any fighter that's made a successful comeback after getting knocked out in their thirties. But that's just me. I'd like to be proved wrong.
I hadn't really considered that until I read this post. In my years, I can't recall one either.

Might be a good idea for a thread.
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Old 12-12-2012, 05:40 PM   #26
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For the life of me I can't think of any fighter that's made a successful comeback after getting knocked out in their thirties. But that's just me. I'd like to be proved wrong.
lennox lewis came back against rachman
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Old 12-12-2012, 05:47 PM   #27
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Pacquiao got knocked out cold like unconscious type of KO.
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Old 12-12-2012, 05:48 PM   #28
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Mike Jones would KO that sucker back into oblivion

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Old 12-12-2012, 05:56 PM   #29
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I noticed that the killer instinct was fading as he carried Margarito two years ago.
I disagree. He pummeled Margarito and was well ahead on the scorecards. The fight should have been stopped! Manny did everything in his power to get him outta there, but at a certain point anyone with a conscience has to think rationally.

Margarito had nothing left. I doubt Pacquiao wanted to bear the burden of giving someone serious brain damage or worse.
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Old 12-12-2012, 06:04 PM   #30
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On predictions and not flash KO's alone, which non Mayweather/Marquez fighter knocks Pac out? Or even beats him? His speed and power is still there, and just because he's been taking the defencive opponents doesnt mean anything is lost.

BUT, fighters sometimes never come back the same. People mention Hatton, but I think he's in a different catagory. Pac might have really been effected by this, MIGHT, but I don't think it's fair for anyone to predict it until we see him get out there. You think Pacman will be running scared though?
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