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Old 12-11-2012, 05:36 AM   #1
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Default I think i might be "overtrained"

Could one of you guys help me know what the symptoms are?
I feel drained lately and i don't feel as explosive or as if i have the same stamina as i usually do. My diet hasnt changed so it isnt that.
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Old 12-11-2012, 05:47 AM   #2
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generally not motivated to train at all, feel like not putting 100% into working out

Help? Maybe you are on diet or something? Weight loss? Just eat whatever you want for a while (what your body wants), have active rest like hiking etc.
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Old 12-11-2012, 05:54 AM   #3
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You feeling drained is a sign. Are you dieting? If so then that might be it i mean perfomance increase and weight loss don't go hand in hand certainly if your low on carbs.
Do you want to train? Or do you force yourself to train?
Speak to your trainer (if he isnt an old school ****ing prick) and see if he's noticed a decrease in your ability aswell.
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Old 12-11-2012, 08:51 AM   #4
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Somehow missed this before posting my thread....I'm going through a patch like that right now myself, so I am right there with you buddy.
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Old 12-11-2012, 10:16 AM   #5
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It's actually very difficult to overtrain, only elite athletes are likely to do so. Fitness magazines like to portray the feeling of weakness or being tired as overtraining, it isn't. Most likely the basics, your diet or lack of sleep/rest.
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Old 12-11-2012, 10:40 AM   #6
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Take some time off.

It's hard to look at somebody and say they are overtraining, but describing being overtrained as a state of being is very real; although it's often used as an excuse.
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Old 12-11-2012, 08:55 PM   #7
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I've felt this way in the past but just kept training. The feeling usually passed after a few days when I started to feel like I was improving again. I recently took 2 weeks off though, 1 week to recover from sore ribs and 1 week cuz of laziness. First day back at the gym sucked. Felt great to train again but my stamina was noticeably worse. The second day was a little better, but not by much. Wish I didn't take a break at all and just trained lightly with the sore ribs.
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Old 12-11-2012, 10:45 PM   #8
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It's actually very difficult to overtrain, only elite athletes are likely to do so. Fitness magazines like to portray the feeling of weakness or being tired as overtraining, it isn't. Most likely the basics, your diet or lack of sleep/rest.
That's not true at all. It's typically out of shape people who become very motivated who overtrain. The less fit you are the easier it is to get there. Motivated people with perfectionist qualities are the people who are most likely to get themselves into an overtrained state. Having a poor diet or lack of sleep may be a cause or effect of overtraining, overtraining is very complex. If you lift weights at a gym it's very hard to overtrain but in a sport like boxing it's very easy. People don't periodise or progress their training properly and try to work as hard as possible as often as possible. I think overtraining is more common than anyone realises.

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Overtraining is the point where the athlete starts to experience physiological maladaptaions and chronic performance decrements. There's the sympathetic and parasympathetic forms of overtraining. Symptoms include - Impaired physical performance, Decreased appetite, Anorexia and weight loss, Increase in waking pulse of > 5 b.p.m., Altered metabolism, Abnormal rise in HR on standing, Postural hypotension or hypertension, Muscle and joint pains, Immunosuppression (head colds, allergies), Insomnia, Depression, Increased nocturnal fluid intake, reduced vigour, increased tension, anxiety and exercise dependence.
There's a few hypothesis for its genesis - Neuroendocrine changes, Energy metabolism, amino acid and monamine metabolism, immunological dysfunction and nitric oxide metabolism with neuroendocrine probably being the most important factor.
Resting heart rate is a good way to determine if you're overtrained if you know what you're usually at.
Overtraining is even more damaging to fitness than detraining. To treat it reduce training intensity for several days, rest completely for three to five days, seek counselling, eat sufficient carbohydrate to prevent glycogen depletion and prevent overtraining by alternating easy, moderate, and hard training. You might laugh at seek counselling but there is a strong psychological element to it, the harder you try to push through it and tough it out the worse it gets. Chronic fatigue syndrome is on the same spectrum as overtraining, this isn't something to be taken lightly.
Every professional sports team these days hand out forms to their athletes daily to record how they feel, this includes psychological, physical and general wellbeing. If an athlete is stressed out about something away from sport it will affect the quality of their training, stress is stress whether it's from activity or emotions your body doesn't differentiate between the two and it has the same physiological effect. Getting excited about something is stressful as well, it doesn't have to be negative to take a toll on you.
Recovery is very important, I'm not saying you're necessarily overtrained but you may be getting to that point. The point you may be at is sometimes a goal for an athlete, the athlete then cuts back training and gets an increased training effect. That's called overreaching. There's a thin line between overreaching and overtraining so you should err on the side of caution.
Monitor how you feel and don't be afraid to take some time off and relax. You're not being lazy or a *****, your subjective feelings are very real and it makes no difference, what you perceive has physiological/physical effects so don't let anybody say you're being lazy. And whatever you do don't try to train your way out of it, the longer you overtrain for the more fitness you'll lose and the longer it will take to get back where you were.
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I've felt this way in the past but just kept training. The feeling usually passed after a few days when I started to feel like I was improving again. I recently took 2 weeks off though, 1 week to recover from sore ribs and 1 week cuz of laziness. First day back at the gym sucked. Felt great to train again but my stamina was noticeably worse. The second day was a little better, but not by much. Wish I didn't take a break at all and just trained lightly with the sore ribs.
Well I'm telling you for a fact that you lost little to any fitness after two weeks. Completely psychological, you need to take overtraining seriously. Look at what I just posted, I'm betting that you meet plenty of the criteria. A lot of people stay on that ledge of training and overtraining, they make gains then overtrain so they go backwards, make gains then overtrain and go backwards and so on. So fitness never really improves, they get frustrated and have some of the emotional issues associated with overtraining and eventually drop out of sport when they've had enough.
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Old 12-11-2012, 11:31 PM   #10
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Well I'm telling you for a fact that you lost little to any fitness after two weeks. Completely psychological, you need to take overtraining seriously. Look at what I just posted, I'm betting that you meet plenty of the criteria. A lot of people stay on that ledge of training and overtraining, they make gains then overtrain so they go backwards, make gains then overtrain and go backwards and so on. So fitness never really improves, they get frustrated and have some of the emotional issues associated with overtraining and eventually drop out of sport when they've had enough.
By that criteria I think I may have been overtrained in the past, especially when I really started getting motivated and pushed myseld as hard as I could every session, but I dont think that was the case when I took a break. I dont feel like this particular break helped me to be honest. Body composition is visibly worse than before and I get winded much sooner than before when shadow boxing and hitting the bag. The latter might be psychological. Who knows. Not saying that OP shouldnt take a break, but in my situation I wish I didnt. At least not the 2nd week.
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Old 12-12-2012, 12:44 AM   #11
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By that criteria I think I may have been overtrained in the past, especially when I really started getting motivated and pushed myseld as hard as I could every session, but I dont think that was the case when I took a break. I dont feel like this particular break helped me to be honest. Body composition is visibly worse than before and I get winded much sooner than before when shadow boxing and hitting the bag. The latter might be psychological. Who knows. Not saying that OP shouldnt take a break, but in my situation I wish I didnt. At least not the 2nd week.
You didn't lose any fitness in two weeks and it's highly unlikely that your body composition changed, your muscles were probably just less tense after the 2 weeks. 2 weeks off is nothing.
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Old 12-12-2012, 01:58 AM   #12
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You didn't lose any fitness in two weeks and it's highly unlikely that your body composition changed, your muscles were probably just less tense after the 2 weeks. 2 weeks off is nothing.
Went from visible abs non-flexed to less visible abs when flexed. Maybe just water weight from shitty diet? You're probably right about everything else. Pull ups, chin ups, and push ups dont seem to have suffered any.
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Old 12-12-2012, 06:30 PM   #13
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My main symptoms are feeling tired but not being able to sleep.
Feeling flat
Also aches and pains + heart palpitations. My lungs also feel dodgy. Can that be training related
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Old 12-12-2012, 06:31 PM   #14
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Its funny you mention it. I've been training pretty heavily lately and after a big work out on monday the next day I was so sore and achy that basic everyday tasks gave me trouble. Ibuprofen helps but although monday was a really tough workout it was cumulative it actually works out great cause this week is finals week so I can focus on my studies while taking a week off to recover. Take some time off a week or two enjoy yourself and relax dont worry about diet or conditioning or anything just have fun. I guarantee you'll feel like a new man when you go back to the gym. Listen to your body, push yourself! but dont run yourself into the ground
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How often do you train and how hard?
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