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Old 12-08-2012, 02:34 AM   #2701
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Old 12-08-2012, 04:07 AM   #2702
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Old 12-08-2012, 04:25 AM   #2703
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Old 12-08-2012, 07:57 AM   #2704
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Roberto Duran's fight with Robbie Simms is something of a hidden gem, in my opinion. There's barely any lulls in the action throughout the 10 rounds, and it was close and competitive till the very end. Despite losing, I think Duran actually came out of the fight elevated. Simms wasn't a great fighter but he was a pretty good Middleweight. Duran was right there till the very hand, landing his beautiful right hand with regularity. I must watch this fight again at some point. Very watchable.
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Old 12-10-2012, 03:13 AM   #2705
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Larry Holmes SD Ken Norton

I had Holmes taking the first five rounds on the stiff jab and general class. He just looks the superior fighter across the board. What's interesting is that as a precision instrument, when he starts to tire - and both these guys are tired at the end of fifth based upon a medium-hot pace made all the more difficult by the persisting, stalking Norton style - he suffers more from fatigue than Norton. Larry is straight-backed in essence but graceful and supple with this. Norton is more lurching, untidy, a looping overhand right and a less concise jab happily defined by the shifting Norton stance/hand positioning. Because he's a much rougher tool, when he starts to flag it doesn't affect his style. Meanwhile Holmes, who never looked faster than in these first five rounds, starts to fall a fraction behind in pulling his head back and getting his hands up. Norton is physically just as affected by the pace and style of the fight but it stranslates differently because of his rougher style.

What this means in practice is that after banking the first five on my card, Norton goes on his own little run, taking 6-11 on my card. Lots of these rounds - 7,8,10 - were really really close in my opinion. The seventh for example would be scored even by many but I thought that Norton shaved it on aggression and general hustle.

In the ninth, when Norton found his right hand range in earnest, things look pretty bad for Holmes who does almost nothing in the 10th, giving the round away by default. The first really close round that went to Larry on my card rather than Ken was the 12th which I scored for Holmes. In the 13th the Easton Assassin spent his reserves on as destructive a round ever seen at HW that did not produce a KD and could arguably be scored 10-8 but it left Larry with almost nothing, and he gift-wrapped the 14th before rallying in that infamous 15th - a round I thought Norton also shaded despite the horrible destruction reigned down upon the champ in the last 20 seconds. This gave me:

NORTON: 6,7,8,9,10,11,14,15
HOMLES: 1,2,3,4,5,12,13*

So I have it to Norton. I don't say he won, however, for a few reasons, mostly that this is a very close fight and you can score it either way reasonably, not least because of all the close rounds - 3/4 of which went to Norton on my card. Reverse that ration (and you could do so) and Holmes is ahead on my card. Furthermore, whilst i'm very very conservative about it I do really think you could make 13 a 10-8 round which makes this a draw on my card.

Certainly no definitive winner in this scorcher.

It certainly was an interesting bout.

But early on it was a footwork bout and Larry was turning him in there. Ken was walking into punches d just couldn't get Larry to trade or sit still for him to get off his combos.

But those bodyshots definately took their toll. That huge gap in mobility was nullified and Holmes can't take that body stuff the way Ali could. Who can? But fortunately, he had youth. If that bout had been a role reversal and it was an 85 version of Holmes in there facing the 73 or 74 Norton, he's in big big trouble.

But both guys dug deep in the fight and both weathered storms to make it to the end. But going into the fight, I sure didn't think Kenny was capable of dealing with that Holmes mobility and would get outboxed easily. And that's the way it was going early but Ken Norton changed all of that and showed a lot of heart and competitive spirit to do so.
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Old 12-11-2012, 05:43 PM   #2706
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L.F. Thompson's movement makes Monzon look like Amir Khan.

Talk about relaxed fighter.
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Old 12-11-2012, 08:43 PM   #2707
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Just scored the Tony Baltazar-Howard Davis Jr. fight, and predictably enough.......scored it a draw.

Davis Baltazar

9 10
10 9
10 9
10 9
8 10
10 9
9 10
8 10
10 9
10 9

A couple things stick out, as I'd read so much about this fight being a robbery. It wasn't. Even based on the ten-point must system it could very well have gone either way, but this was fought in New Jersey under the rounds system (a stupid way to score a fight). Based on that, I don't think there's much of a question Davis deserved the verdict. It's not his fault the scoring system was what it was, and he DID win more rounds.

I was impressed with the way Davis came back strong in the sixth after a very, very hard knockdown in round five. He showed some real mettle. Problem was, he just couldn't push Baltazar back. Tony was immensely strong and a huge banger with the left hook. Davis had to move and then stand and flurry in spots. He had to work hard in this one, and those were two very hard knockdowns Baltazar scored. I can see why people thought Baltazar should have had it go his way. His work was much more telling; pity for him the rounds system was in play.
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Old 12-11-2012, 09:33 PM   #2708
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Just rewatched Holmes v spoon.

Can't believe I ever found 7 rounds for Larry before. Spoon beats him at pretty much every juncture he outjabs him outpunches him, outdefends him and basically proved his superiority over 12 rounds.

It's not a huge stretch to say he was the best in the world at this point until he lost to Thomas who lost to berbick who lost to the youngest champ in he history.
watch it without sound= your scorecard will be very dif
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watch it without sound= your scorecard will be very dif
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Old 12-12-2012, 05:42 PM   #2710
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It's a pity L.F. Thompson spent most of his career fighting in Argentina.
Would have been interesting to see him in his prime.

Really like his counter right hand on the inside.

Thompson-Paret 1,2 are very good fights.
Especially the second one.

Very close fights.
Especially the second one.

Personally, I prefer Thompson's harder, cleaner shots over Paret's aggression - I thought he deserved to win the first fight.

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Old 12-13-2012, 11:06 AM   #2711
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Kang-Il Suh vs Yoshiaki "Uppercut from Hell" Numata II

Damn you Numata, you sneaky bastard.

Poor Suh.

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Old 12-13-2012, 12:16 PM   #2712
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Where's that?? Have I already got that?

You seen Numata-Rose?
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Old 12-13-2012, 12:32 PM   #2713
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Where's that?? Have I already got that?
rayrobinson333 uploaded some good obscure fights.

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You seen Numata-Rose?
No.

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Old 12-15-2012, 05:04 PM   #2714
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Saldivar-Winstone 2 - epic finish by Zurdo de Oro.

What I like about Saldivar is that he could switch from D.Curry sniper mode to rough slugger mode if necessary.

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Old 12-17-2012, 05:25 PM   #2715
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The final 90 seconds of Concepcion-Carrillo rematch are the reason why El Nica is an ATG.
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