Discuss fighters Jones Jr ducked in his prime

[bailey]

[quote]

Originally Posted by VivaNazVegas

No he wasnt.

What do you mean, no he wasnt. Are you that dim . Calzaghe retired after Jones, Jones has had several more fights, so as said Calzaghe was closer to the end of his career than Jones

Jones was closer to his end than Calzaghe was.
Just because Calzaghe chose to end his career before Jones did doesn't mean he was more past his prime.
Roy's career should have ended imediately after the Ruiz fight.
Owned

Why should Roy have ended his career? He just scored arguably his biggest win and then beat the fighter who would go on to beat Tarver at LHW

[VivaNazVegas]

Originally Posted by bailey

Why should Roy have ended his career?

Because he was complete and utterly shot when he went back down to light heavy.
He should have fought Mike Tyson, but seeing as Tyson didn't want none of dat, he should have just retired.
Owned

[bailey]

[quote]

Originally Posted by Loudon

Bailey,



This video is from 1999.

Zod's links on post 78 are from 2001.

In 2001, they couldn't get Kohl to negotiate. So how serious do you think DM was two years earlier?

You've got video evidence of Larry saying DM was willing to go.

DID HE GO?

It's irrelevant what Larry said, because EVERYBODY knows that he didn't go in the end.

Of course he didnt. Jones wouldnt fight him. why else would he. Jones was asked out right there and wouldnt answer.
Do you need me to post the video again and show you Roys answer

HELLO! IS THERE ANYBODY THERE??

He sent his advisor to meet with representatives of HBO to try and make the fight. Let me know when this has sunk in.

Show me where!! You say these things and dont show

Roy was the Unified champ!

So was DM before he was stripped. Once again you are fooled by titles. DM beat the man for them. Jones just picked up against the titles DM vacated and fighter who won them after he vacated.
remember DM beat the man. He was the real champ

DM's resume is nowhere near the level of Roy's. Let's do a head to head and have a laugh

I said at LHW and at LHW I think they are similar


DM beat -
Hill the man of the division and WBA/IBF champ, before Jones,
Rocchigiani the stripped WBA champ who Jones wouldnt face
Barber the WBO champ
Thadzi who beat Toney (that is a joke)
Griffin who beat Jones

Its where these people were when they were fought that counts

Jones was given a WBC title and the WBA & IBF were DMs stripped belts, so Roy didnt win them from the champ
McCallum was not long beaten by Tiozzo and Woods hadnt beaten anyone at that time,

[bailey]

Originally Posted by VivaNazVegas

Because he was complete and utterly shot when he went back down to light heavy.
He should have fought Mike Tyson, but seeing as Tyson didn't want none of dat, he should have just retired.
Owned

Shoulda woulda coulda, but didnt, like he didnt Collins, Eubank, Benn, Michalczewski, Erdei and doesnt seem to have tried

[bailey]

Loudon must be trying to research Sheffield

[BatTheMan]

Originally Posted by Loudon

Bat, you can believe whatever you want to believe. We've been through this a thousand times.

Look at Zod's links from post 78 of this thread.

Read them carefully, then look at DM'S resume. It's crystal clear to me, that Kohl and DM didn not want that fight.



It's funny, you trying to make a case that he wanted it, when Kohl wouldn't negotiate, arrange a double header, and then had DM fight Hall twice and Harmon, after Roy had toyed with them.



Read the above paragraph from the full interview, just before Roy said that. He was clearly frustrated and knew they wouldn't pay him that amount. Go and read the full interview, and then decide for yourself. He had no intentions of going to Germany, and he wasn't stupid, he knew they weren't going to pay him that. It was clearly said in a frustrated tone, out of anger, because nothing was happening at the time. Everybody wanted the fight, and Kohl wouldn't even start the ball rolling with an offer.

I'll put the interview back up if you want.


Regards, Loudon.

The point was that the part about DM was ridiculously biased and unbelievable and yet you used that as truthfull evidence for your stonewall opinion that DM wanted none of Jones. I found that horrible loudon. I thought you where better than that.

[knockout artist]

Originally Posted by bailey

Loudon must be trying to research Sheffield

zod claims to be from Leeds and yet earlier on this thread was referring to the police as 'the cops'. No-one in Leeds refers to the police as 'the cops'. He tripped himself up there

[BatTheMan]

Originally Posted by Loudon

Merchant said he was now willing to go to America.

Let me ask you this question.

Did he go in the end?

NO! Did he ****! Is the answer.

Post 78, it's all there.

Kohl refused a double header to promote the fight, which was ridiculous, and Brad Jacobs and HBO could never get Kohl on the phone, in a meeting, or to get the ball rolling.

After you've read the links, go and pull DM's resume up after talks had broken down. Go and look at who he fought. It's as clear as day, that DM didn't want the fight.

DM was never an undercardfighter, but he said he was willing to do it IF he got paid what he would get for a standard defense in Germany. That sounds fair to me. Does it Sound fair to you?

[bailey]

Originally Posted by knockout artist

zod claims to be from Leeds and yet earlier on this thread was referring to the police as 'the cops'. No-one in Leeds refers to the police as 'the cops'. He tripped himself up there

they have both made mistakes in pretending to be from Sheffield and Leeds respectively.
I found it amusing how Zodclaimed to have watched alot of fights on British TV, and when I asked him the channels he claimed to have watched them on a web site back in the early 90s and then couldnt remember any channels. Comical. He couldnt say anything about the place and Loudon has said a few things that seem a bit odd for where he claims to be from

[bailey]

Look at this thread,

[url]***********.eastsideboxing.com/forum/showthread.php?t=449085[/url]

[dinovelvet]

The hardest task for Joe was making weight a t SMW, when he moved up , training got easier, he felt better.. He was at his prime and was throwing record high punches in the latter half of his career. He could of carried on but packed up cos the competition got stiffer.
You just got owned something cruel.

[knockout artist]

Originally Posted by bailey

they have both made mistakes in pretending to be from Sheffield and Leeds respectively.
I found it amusing how Zodclaimed to have watched alot of fights on British TV, and when I asked him the channels he claimed to have watched them on a web site back in the early 90s and then couldnt remember any channels. Comical. He couldnt say anything about the place and Loudon has said a few things that seem a bit odd for where he claims to be from

Funny that, zod claims to have a photographic memory of fights like Toney-Thadzi and Jones-Griffin. Yet he can't remember any of the channels he was watching? What website could you stream boxing off back in the 90's!? What website could you stream boxing off back in the 90's!? Strange guy, I wonder why he lies about it? Surely if he can remember random fights in America off by heart, he can tell you a couple of things about Leeds?

[irishny]

So Bailey,are you still trying to argue that a retired SMW like Collins would have added to Jones legacy?

[Loudon]

Originally Posted by bailey

Its a question Loudon. You are from Sheffield arent you?
Zod claims to be from Leeds but cant say anything about the place and you seem to be stalling a bit.
are you from Sheffield?

I'm not stalling at all. I'm just wondering why you're asking out of the blue, and why you're asking in a certain tone>

Why would I claim to be from Sheffield?

I'm from Intake, and I also used to live in Dronfield for a while. Why do you want to know?

[Imperial1]

[quote=bailey;14392217]

Of course he didnt. Jones wouldnt fight him. why else would he. Jones was asked out right there and wouldnt answer.
Do you need me to post the video again and show you Roys answer

Show me where!! You say these things and dont show


So was DM before he was stripped. Once again you are fooled by titles. DM beat the man for them. Jones just picked up against the titles DM vacated and fighter who won them after he vacated.
remember DM beat the man. He was the real champ


I said at LHW and at LHW I think they are similar


DM beat -
Hill the man of the division and WBA/IBF champ, before Jones,
Rocchigiani the stripped WBA champ who Jones wouldnt face
Barber the WBO champ
Thadzi who beat Toney (that is a joke)
Griffin who beat Jones

Its where these people were when they were fought that counts

Jones was given a WBC title and the WBA & IBF were DMs stripped belts, so Roy didnt win them from the champ
McCallum was not long beaten by Tiozzo and Woods hadnt beaten anyone at that time,

Wow Failey your really treading water here ..Jones was never given anything ,and seems your the only one that's fooled by titles .Since when did the WBO account for anything ? It never did ! And Jones won those belts in the ring against fighters DM refused to fight ! You really need to stick to Calzaghe topics !Your boxing Rec knowledge has failed you here !