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Old 12-13-2012, 06:26 PM   #541
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So you couldnt answer Bats questions and you cant debate against how DM was stripped and only given 30 days after just beating the champ, before he would have to defend that title.
Loudon will come out with something ridiculous about he could have fought in America against a nobody for less money and no title or something stupid
You can't answer this question. Why if DM was wrongfully stripped, wasn't he desperate to fight Roy to get his belts back?
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Old 12-13-2012, 06:29 PM   #542
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Quick reply Loudon. Tell me what fighters from the 90s can you recall, who were not world champs, but quite big in Sheffield
I wasn't online at this point, and I reply to other posters in order. If I'm online when you are, and you ask me a question, I won't even see it, until I've replied to my other posts first.
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Old 12-13-2012, 06:30 PM   #543
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Loudon, this bat the man goomba is trolling you something horrible. He knows the details, and hes just trying to wind you up cos you're a fan of Roy.
He's got to be trolling hasn't he? Nobody could be that daft.
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Old 12-14-2012, 04:40 AM   #544
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1. They never got that far, because it was instantly dismissed.
So Kohl just dismissed the offer even though it could be worth 10M?

Do you have a source for that because that's news to me.

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2. Why else would they have wanted the double header?

It's safe to assume that they'd have discussed details of the fight, before they went through with the double header.


If DM wanted Roy, and the double header would have promoted the fight, then why would Kohl have turned it down? He was a successful businessman. There was only one reason for turning it down, and it's obvious what that reason was.
So you don't know. It could be that the offer for this undercard slot was M and no guaranteed shot at Jones afterwards then? That could be possible right?
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Old 12-14-2012, 04:42 AM   #545
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You can't answer this question. Why if DM was wrongfully stripped, wasn't he desperate to fight Roy to get his belts back?
Would you be eager to get a belt back from an organization that just ****ed you in your ass?
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Old 12-14-2012, 04:44 AM   #546
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I am eager to get ****ed in the ass!
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Old 12-14-2012, 04:45 AM   #547
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Bat here is the quote :

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Record Breaker [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] has revealed why he may abandon one of his titles - he doesn't want to do business with DON KING.

The newly crowned [Only registered and activated users can see links. ], [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] and [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] champion is also furious at being forced to fight TWICE within 45 days.

A court ruling has allowed No. 1 challenger William Guthrie to demand a championship fight before July 19th.

Now Michalczewski - the first man in history to own all three belts at his weight - has threatened to abandon the IBF title.

The Polish-born German's promoter Klaus-Peter Kohl said: "Guthrie is Don King's man and we don't want to do any business with him."

Kohl has said he is hoping an arrangement on juggling title defences can be worked out with the WBO and WBA.

Undefeated WBO champion Michalczewski won the IBF and WBA crowns after destroying Virgil Hill in a 12- round thriller on Friday night.

Michalczewski, who has 28 knockouts to his credit and 34 straight victories, pounded Hill from the third round.

And in the end succeeded in pulling off one of boxings greatest upsets with a unanimous decision.

North Dakota fighter Hill was left gutted with the shock defeat - only the second of his career.

His last defeat was to Thomas Hearns SIX years ago.
So they didn't want it because they wouldn't deal with Don King?

Ask Loudon what he makes of this. I'm sure he'll say that it's a perfectly legit excuse. Unless, of course, he has double standards.
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Old 12-14-2012, 05:06 AM   #548
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So Kohl just dismissed the offer even though it could be worth 10M?

Do you have a source for that because that's news to me.



So you don't know. It could be that the offer for this undercard slot was M and no guaranteed shot at Jones afterwards then? That could be possible right?
Bat, you're putting up a good fight, and that's good, because I love debating, but it's all there in black and white.

I read quite a lot of your posts on other subjects, before I started debating with you, so I know you're not an idiot. It seems quite clear to everyone but you and Bailey (who'd swear that black was white) what went on.

I'm assuming you're just having a bit of fun.

It's obvious that the double header would have promoted the fight, and made it a huge event.

Murad has told us roughly what DM was making.

Now are you seriously implying (after reading 5 articles and watching a video) that you think the double header would have been only for €500K with no guaranteed shot after?

Ha!

Kohl dismissed the double header straight away which was stupid, because it proved that Roy and HBO wanted to hype he fight to make it big. It's literally the worst hing he could have done.

Let's put things into perspective.

Murad has told us what he was roughly fighting for.

Now go and pull up his resume.

He was fighting for not a lot of money, against B Class opposition in Germany, he then gets offered a chance to promote a fight with Roy in a double header, then Kohl takes offence (conveniently) and says DM's too good to fight on an undercard. Really Peter? You're guy's above fighting on an undercard, yet he fights nobodies in Germany for €1M. Ha! That's what I'd have said if I'd have been there. It's laughable!

Kohl's a successful businessman. He would never have mad a decision like that, UNLESS it was an excuse because DM didn't want the fight.

He continued to fight nobodies after the talks broke down.

What does that say to you? I know what it says to me.

It's as clear as the nose on my face.

Kohl put up the roadblock, because they didn't want it.

If you can't work that out, go and see your Doctor.


People are going to start calling you Dailey soon, the Danish Bailey.


Regards, Loudon.

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Old 12-14-2012, 05:19 AM   #549
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Bat, you're putting up a good fight, and that's good, because I love debating, but it's all there in black and white.

I read quite a lot of your posts on other subjects, before I started debating with you, so I know you're not an idiot. It seems quite clear to everyone but you and Bailey (who'd swear that black was white) what went on.

I'm assuming you're just having a bit of fun.

It's obvious that the double header would have promoted the fight, and made it a huge event.

Murad has told us roughly what DM was making.

Now are you seriously implying (after reading 5 articles and watching a video) that you think the double header would have been only for €500K with no guaranteed shot after?

Ha!

People are going to start calling you Dailey soon, the Danish Bailey.
Im not even opening threads of bailey anymore,cause its always europe vs america fighters threads,wide ud for europe fighters,dont matter who is it.
He used to have some good threads b4 as i saw.
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Old 12-14-2012, 05:21 AM   #550
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So they didn't want it because they wouldn't deal with Don King?

Ask Loudon what he makes of this. I'm sure he'll say that it's a perfectly legit excuse. Unless, of course, he has double standards.
I've got no problem with this at all.

This should have made him more determined to fight Roy in 2001, when he had the chance. But it didn't.
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Old 12-14-2012, 05:22 AM   #551
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People are going to start calling you Dailey soon, the Danish Bailey.


Regards, Loudon.
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Old 12-14-2012, 05:22 AM   #552
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Bat, you're putting up a good fight, and that's good, because I love debating, but it's all there in black and white.

I read quite a lot of your posts on other subjects, before I started debating with you, so I know you're not an idiot. It seems quite clear to everyone but you and Bailey (who'd swear that black was white) what went on.

I'm assuming you're just having a bit of fun.

It's obvious that the double header would have promoted the fight, and made it a huge event.

Murad has told us roughly what DM was making.

Now are you seriously implying (after reading 5 articles and watching a video) that you think the double header would have been only for €500K with no guaranteed shot after?

Ha!

Kohl dismissed the double header straight away which was stupid, because it proved that Roy and HBO wanted to hype he fight to make it big. It's literally the worst hing he could have done.

Let's put things into perspective.

Murad has told us what he was roughly fighting for.

Now go and pull up his resume.

He was fighting for not a lot of money, against B Class opposition in Germany, he then gets offered a chance to promote a fight with Roy in a double header, then Kohl takes offence (conveniently) and says DM's too good to fight on an undercard. Really Peter? You're guy's above fighting on an undercard, yet he fights nobodies in Germany for €1M. Ha! That's what I'd have said if I'd have been there. It's laughable!

Kohl's a successful businessman. He would never have mad a decision like that, UNLESS it was an excuse because DM didn't want the fight.

He continued to fight nobodies after the talks broke down.

What does that say to you? I know what it says to me.

It's as clear as the nose on my face.

Kohl put up the roadblock, because they didn't want it.

If you can't work that out, go and see your Doctor.


People are going to start calling you Dailey soon, the Danish Bailey.


Regards, Loudon.
So far nothing indicates that what I wrote could not be true. The problem is that you are not allowing for other possible scenarios than the ones that fits your agenda.

Think about it. After calling out Jones after (nearly) every single one of his defenses DM flat out turns down a 2 fight offer where the latter fight being the one he craves more than anything. I mean turns it down without even looking at it! That's what you are saying!

If such an offer is turned down then surely it must be because it was very far what they wanted wouldn't you think? Knowing that Jones was very hard to deal with that could be at least possible? You have to give me that.
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Old 12-14-2012, 05:24 AM   #553
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Would you be eager to get a belt back from an organization that just ****ed you in your ass?
If he was wrongfully stripped, then saw Roy win his old belts and be declared the man at 175, while he was fighting b class opposition for decent money, wouldn't you have thought that he'd have jumped at the chance to fight Roy for great money, to try and get them back??
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Old 12-14-2012, 05:34 AM   #554
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If he was wrongfully stripped, then saw Roy win his old belts and be declared the man at 175, while he was fighting b class opposition for decent money, wouldn't you have thought that he'd have jumped at the chance to fight Roy for great money, to try and get them back??
He called out Jones after (nearly) every single one of his record breaking number of defenses.

It doesn't appear as if Jones wanted to fight him though as he likely only gave an offer for a slot at a Jones undercard worth peanuts.
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He called out Jones after (nearly) every single one of his record breaking number of defenses.
Proof or I call bullshit Dailey
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