Haye\Vitali saga - Page 2

BadDog · 12-15-2012, 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by dinovelvet

Hahahahahahahahaha

Hahahahahahahahaha

oh yeah, beating a number 3 ranked HW when you are 42-43 is easy and is not an accomplishment at all. Just like dominating HW division for many many years. Anybody can do it.

dinovelvet · 12-15-2012, 02:37 PM

They haven't retired yet so they dont make any relevant lists outside of made up ones by fanboys.

dinovelvet · 12-15-2012, 02:39 PM

Who is 43?

Vitali is 41. Charr wasn't even ranked till he signd a piece of paper with Vitali's name on it.

gobblock · 12-15-2012, 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by dinovelvet

They haven't retired yet so they dont make any relevant lists outside of made up ones by fanboys.

If they're already top 15 and top 10, they can pretty much only climb the ranks, particularly Vitali at his advanced age where a loss couldn't be held against him.

dinovelvet · 12-15-2012, 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by gobblock

If they're already top 15 and top 10, they can pretty much only climb the ranks, particularly Vitali at his advanced age where a loss couldn't be held against him.

So if Haye or anybody else beats Vitali they will get zero credit but when his brother beats past it, over 40 year olds who are in far worse shape than Vitali , he's a great Champ and is deserving of ATG status?..... Hahaha
I never head something so ridiculous in all my life.

If Vitali is good enough to beat his opponents then a loss can and will be held against him.

gobblock · 12-15-2012, 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by dinovelvet

So if Haye or anybody else beats Vitali they will get zero credit but when his brother beats past it, over 40 year olds who are in far worse shape than Vitali , he's a great Champ and is deserving of ATG status?..... Hahaha
I never head something so ridiculous in all my life.

If Vitali is good enough to beat his opponents then a loss can and will be held against him.

That's some fucked up logic/reading comprehension you're exhibiting there... Haye would certainly get credit for beating an old Vitali, as would anyone else. I said a loss like that wouldn't hurt Vitali's ATG standing at this point in his career. The only way it would hurt his ATG standing is if Haye, or whoever theoretically beats Vitali, came to be seen as a top 15 ATG HW (

) in which case he could surpass Vitali having beaten him.

Allow me to quote myself so you can try to understand again:

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Originally Posted by gobblock

If they're already top 15 and top 10, they can pretty much only climb the ranks, particularly Vitali at his advanced age where a loss couldn't be held against him.

Is it starting to come together for you yet?

Beezy · 12-15-2012, 06:40 PM

TBH.. both fighters should just retire.......

dinovelvet · 12-15-2012, 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by gobblock

That's some fucked up logic/reading comprehension you're exhibiting there... Haye would certainly get credit for beating an old Vitali, as would anyone else. I said a loss like that wouldn't hurt Vitali's ATG standing at this point in his career. The only way it would hurt his ATG standing is if Haye, or whoever theoretically beats Vitali, came to be seen as a top 15 ATG HW (

) in which case he could surpass Vitali having beaten him.

Allow me to quote myself so you can try to understand again:

Is it starting to come together for you yet?

A loss is a loss , it WILL affect him, weather a nuthugger like yourself wants to accept or not it is of zero relevance to his standing. Do you understand that? Probably not.

gobblock · 12-15-2012, 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by dinovelvet

A loss is a loss , it WILL affect him, weather a nuthugger like yourself wants to accept or not it is of zero relevance to his standing. Do you understand that? Probably not.

A loss to Haye wouldn't hurt his ATG status at his age after what he's accomplished, and that fact kills you.

Heavyrighthand · 12-15-2012, 07:07 PM

Yes, it'll happen.

Too much money to be made for all involved for it not to happen.

Rico Spadafora · 12-15-2012, 07:13 PM

Haye doesn't care about winning he cares about his Bank Account.

He would show up back peddle, throw 9 o 10 punches a round, pose, and flop for 12 rounds and then have another excuse on why he lost.

The guy is a Disgrace.

He simply will not engage with bigger fighters at Heavyweight.

MrMagic · 12-15-2012, 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by gobblock

Vitali is already top 15 ATG for most people, his brother top 10.

dinovelvet · 12-15-2012, 07:16 PM

Yes it would. You're saying when a boxer get to a certin age , a loss wont affect him. If Calzage came back today and lost, his legacy would be hampered. Thats why fighters stay retired, or retire early so not to pick up an unnecessary loss. If another defence of his title is a benefit to his legacy , a loss is will most certainly have a negative effect.
You must be the Klitt nuthugger overlord, wake up and smell the coffee.
Right now he'd be lucky to get HOF status. These accomplishments you speak of dont exist.

ISPEAKUMTROOTH · 12-15-2012, 07:37 PM

Vitali needs Haye to cement his legacy????What the fuck,i mean,just what the fuck??

stebinn · 12-15-2012, 08:13 PM

I don´t think Haye will actually do much for Vitali´s legacy, but it should be a interesting fight nontheless.

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12-15-2012, 02:37 PM	#17
dinovelvet Up Top To The Head East Side Guru Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 5,741 vCash: 375	Re: Haye\Vitali saga They haven't retired yet so they dont make any relevant lists outside of made up ones by fanboys.
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12-15-2012, 02:39 PM	#18
dinovelvet Up Top To The Head East Side Guru Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 5,741 vCash: 375	Re: Haye\Vitali saga Who is 43? Vitali is 41. Charr wasn't even ranked till he signd a piece of paper with Vitali's name on it.
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12-15-2012, 06:40 PM	#22
Beezy 2 Eazzy ESB Addict Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Baltimore, Maryland... USA Posts: 2,268 vCash: 500	Re: Haye\Vitali saga TBH.. both fighters should just retire.......
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12-15-2012, 07:07 PM	#25
Heavyrighthand Champion East Side Guru Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 7,059 vCash: 1000	Re: Haye\Vitali saga Yes, it'll happen. Too much money to be made for all involved for it not to happen.
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12-15-2012, 07:13 PM	#26
Rico Spadafora Best Chin On ESB East Side VIP Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 16,267 vCash: 1158	Re: Haye\Vitali saga Haye doesn't care about winning he cares about his Bank Account. He would show up back peddle, throw 9 o 10 punches a round, pose, and flop for 12 rounds and then have another excuse on why he lost. The guy is a Disgrace. He simply will not engage with bigger fighters at Heavyweight.
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12-15-2012, 07:16 PM	#28
dinovelvet Up Top To The Head East Side Guru Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 5,741 vCash: 375	Re: Haye\Vitali saga Yes it would. You're saying when a boxer get to a certin age , a loss wont affect him. If Calzage came back today and lost, his legacy would be hampered. Thats why fighters stay retired, or retire early so not to pick up an unnecessary loss. If another defence of his title is a benefit to his legacy , a loss is will most certainly have a negative effect. You must be the Klitt nuthugger overlord, wake up and smell the coffee. Right now he'd be lucky to get HOF status. These accomplishments you speak of dont exist.
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12-15-2012, 07:37 PM	#29
ISPEAKUMTROOTH Contender ESB Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 541 vCash: 500	Re: Haye\Vitali saga Vitali needs Haye to cement his legacy????What the fuck,i mean,just what the fuck??
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12-15-2012, 08:13 PM	#30
stebinn Journeyman ESB Jr Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 106 vCash: 500	Re: Haye\Vitali saga I don´t think Haye will actually do much for Vitali´s legacy, but it should be a interesting fight nontheless.
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