Wladimir Klitschko vs. Rocky Marciano

[dinovelvet]

Originally Posted by orriray59

I seem to remember earlier on you said Wlad's physique doesn't matter and that boxing isn't a bodybuilding contest, yet here you are, giving shit to Tua because he was "fat."

You really are a piece of work.

Being fat and over weight is debilitating you authentic fucking dumbass. DO you enjoy sending post's to me that i barley read and getting repeatedly ignored in the process? You do nothing here except lick the nuts of other posters who also ignore you. You kept digging and you deserve every bit of that.

[orriray59]

Originally Posted by dinovelvet

Being fat and over weight is debilitating you authentic fucking dumbass. DO you enjoy sending post's to me that i barley read and getting repeatedly ignored in the process? You do nothing here except lick the nuts of other posters who also ignore you. You kept digging and you deserve every bit of that.

Tua's a big dude, man. Tell me if this is what you'd consider fat.



Sure, he has a spare tire, but he's a fucking big guy. You can't expect him to look extremely lean or thin. His body wasn't made like that. He was in good shape there.

I'm not going to respond to the "licking the nuts off other posters" because it's child's play. Laughable really. I won't bother repeating the "Byrd is better than LaStarza who's a signature win of Marciano yet is called garbage by you," because it's not sticking.

Goodbye. You doofus.

[dinovelvet]

When were those pictures taken, mid 90s?

I never once said Byrd was better than Lastrarza. I said he was ONE of Rockys career defining wins, as it was one of his most hardest battles.

You have said goodbye you me countless times, stick to it , because ive no interest in making a dummy like you feel more stupid than you already are.

[fists of fury]

Originally Posted by dinovelvet

Is pushing down on opponents an admirable skill to you? Wlad lunges in head first, chin exposed when he throw a jab. Its very far from excellent.

Whether I think it's admirable or not isn't really of any importance. He uses it well to keep opponents off-balance, and it's an effective tool for him.

Having said that, I was quite alarmed at his connect percentage vs. Haye...a miserable 22%. And it's not like he was winging shots, either.

[LittleRed]

Originally Posted by dinovelvet

Tua was the fattest man to ever fight for a world title.

Tony Galento disagrees.

[dinovelvet]

Haye would of almost been the same size as Marciano, as he crouches down at the legs and waist. He went for broke in the last round and gave Wlad some trouble. Marciano would of came at Wlad from round one , would of be just as hard to hit and had an unstopable chin.

[dyna]

Originally Posted by dinovelvet

Haye would of almost been the same size as Marciano, as he crouches down at the legs and waist. He went for broke in the last round and gave Wlad some trouble. Marciano would of came at Wlad from round one , would of be just as hard to hit and had an unstopable chin.

Except Haye is taller, has much more reach, is faster, is a counterpuncher that can blow your head off too.

[rusak]

Originally Posted by dinovelvet

Byrd did nothing at HW.

Yeah, if being the IBF champion is nothing. And remember, Byrd actually fought real heavyweights, unlike Marciano.

[dinovelvet]

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[rusak]

Originally Posted by dinovelvet

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Irrelevant. Styles make fights, jackass. Marciano's style could trouble Ali if Ali wasn't mobile enough and laid on the ropes too much. Vlad, however, is much stronger and harder-hitting than Ali. Vlad doesn't even need to fight off the back foot against Marciano. Marciano is the runt midget here. There is no reason to believe the runt can handle Vlad's power. Vlad has good hand speed for a big man and he will land.

Marciano literally has a better chance of getting killed in the ring than of winning the fight. He doesn't win a round on the way to getting brutally and hilariously knocked out.

[Absolutely!]

Twenty nine pages in and the pro-Marciano argument is still as feeble and delusional as ever, and reduced primarily it seems to two humourless clowns and their thin scattering of yes men whose level of "debate" is so shockingly poor that not even hardcore Marciano fans are willing to side with them without serious caveats.

I enjoy a long and vigorous debate as much as the next man, but this bloated mess of petty schoolyard insults and attempted one-upmanship isn't it.

Move this thread to the general where it belongs.

[orriray59]

Originally Posted by Absolutely!

Twenty nine pages in and the pro-Marciano argument is still as feeble and delusional as ever, and reduced primarily it seems to two humourless clowns and their thin scattering of yes men whose level of "debate" is so shockingly poor that not even hardcore Marciano fans are willing to side with them without serious caveats.

I enjoy a long and vigorous debate as much as the next man, but this bloated mess of petty schoolyard insults and attempted one-upmanship isn't it.

Move this thread to the general where it belongs.

I totally agree, but I'm probably guilty myself of a few insults here and there.

[Absolutely!]

Originally Posted by orriray59

I totally agree, but I'm probably guilty myself of a few insults here and there.

To be fair, if I were to have engaged in honest debate with either of those two trolls (I reckon you can guess who I'm referring to here) I'd have lost my cool at some point as well.

[dinovelvet]

Originally Posted by Absolutely!

Twenty nine pages in and the pro-Marciano argument is still as feeble and delusional as ever, and reduced primarily it seems to two humourless clowns and their thin scattering of yes men whose level of "debate" is so shockingly poor that not even hardcore Marciano fans are willing to side with them without serious caveats.

I enjoy a long and vigorous debate as much as the next man, but this bloated mess of petty schoolyard insults and attempted one-upmanship isn't it.

Move this thread to the general where it belongs.

I see, you enter when the debate has done dead like a coward, throw a few insults around like 99% of the pro Wlad brigade, then disappear back down your pitt after you felt you achieved something.
Type out your opinion dum dum, if you even have any. Idiots are the greatest at pointing fingers at people.

[HOUDINI]

First of all Haye is a nobody. Marciano, and you all seem to forget this, was one of the greatest hwt champions ever to live. Rockys best punch was his right hand and he had one punch ko power...all time power. Being able to fight effectively small...in a crouch is the way to beat very tall opponents. Marciano perfected his style and his weave, low crouch made him a tough target to hit cleanly. Walcott felt he could hit Rocky at will going into fight 1 and he found very soon Rocky was not an easy target. Wlad would have an issue hitting the crouching Marciano and to do so he will need to bend down. Once he does so his fragile chin which he does not tuck behind that jab that he drops will be his downfall. First on the button right hand by Marciano would be the beginning of the end. Immediately Wlad will get that I don't want to be here look in his eye and follow up shots end the fight. Marciano kos the glass chinned walking statue in 8 rounds.