Whats going on with Fred Mundraby.

[badlefthook84]

From the outside looking in it looks like he is very badly managed, advised and has a promoter who is out to make a quick buck for himself. Had absolutely no business been in the ring with Ryo Akoha in his 13th fight. Jaw broken in the first round and took a brutal beating before been stopped in 5. They bring him back with two wins against guys with 0-1-0 and 15-16-4 records and now it looks like he's been fed to the wolf's again, heading back to Japan to tackle Taiki Eto who is 10-1 and much tougher matched than Mundraby. Mundraby is a talent, thats why it pisses me off. Won't accept that they can't get super-flyweights to fight in australia, there is decent international opponents they can bring over. No big money in them weights anyway. But he is not ready to be going in against those guys in japan with what he is fighting in Australia. Akoha is fighting for the WBC super flyweight title this month!!

[Bwgcolman]

Here's a link from the Cairns post, Fred's back up north.

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[CapsLock]

im surprised his back over to japan. who is training him these days? i didnt even know he still boxed?

[Left hook]

You can't have it both ways you said he had no business being in with ryo ahoha in his 13 th pro fight. then seem to say he should not of been fighting the softer fights coming back from it . At the end of the day Fred is like 15 and 1 and the jap he is about to face is like 10 and 1 . Either he is good enough or he isn't . They can build him up forever till he is like 100 and 1 . Yes they could of matched him a bit tougher to prepare him for these sorts of fights but that never happens in aus . Look at skinny , hussy , glen Kelly , Taylor , the list goes on and on

[Brawler]

Originally Posted by Left hook

You can't have it both ways you said he had no business being in with ryo ahoha in his 13 th pro fight. then seem to say he should not of been fighting the softer fights coming back from it . At the end of the day Fred is like 15 and 1 and the jap he is about to face is like 10 and 1 . Either he is good enough or he isn't . They can build him up forever till he is like 100 and 1 . Yes they could of matched him a bit tougher to prepare him for these sorts of fights but that never happens in aus . Look at skinny , hussy , glen Kelly , Taylor , the list goes on and on

[Da Voice]

Fred is a beautiful (Aboriginal) well mannered young man, but somewhat uncomfortable/unsettled when taken out of his environment (Cairns & surrounding area). When I heard he moved to Gold Coast & then Brisbane, I knew it would be short lived.
IMHO, Deller & Vocale should've never pushed him into Akaho fight.... given his activity & opponents.

Maybe $$$ did the thinking ?

[Da Voice]

BTW, I was @ Fred's pro debut @ Kawana Waters vs. Nara Dau
Both were bit untidy at times (Intentional head butts here & there), but nothing Philly da Ref couldn't handle

[badlefthook84]

Originally Posted by Left hook

You can't have it both ways you said he had no business being in with ryo ahoha in his 13 th pro fight. then seem to say he should not of been fighting the softer fights coming back from it . At the end of the day Fred is like 15 and 1 and the jap he is about to face is like 10 and 1 . Either he is good enough or he isn't . They can build him up forever till he is like 100 and 1 . Yes they could of matched him a bit tougher to prepare him for these sorts of fights but that never happens in aus . Look at skinny , hussy , glen Kelly , Taylor , the list goes on and on

Well if you want to get your career back on track after been battered by a guy level's above him, then in your comeback fights you don't go back in against the level of opposition that he fought prior to fighting Akaho. Thats what set him up for such a big fall in the first place, fighting piss poor fighters in Australia. His comeback fights should not of been guys as good Akaho, but definetely not guys as bad as Siregar and Gabriel. Im glad to see that he has been pulled from facing Taiki Eto in Japan on 19th of December. You think its no difference that Mundraby is 14-1 and 10-1 ? If matchmaking was made on that logic there would be some fellas getting seiously hurt. Fred's record is totally padded compared to Eto's. Asian fighters are notorious for been matched very tough straight from the off in their pro career's. This "if he is not ready now he will never be ready" mentality is bullshit and not good enough. Needs proper developing. Fighting for the Aussie title and then fighting a guy who is fighting for the WBC title soon. Crazy!!

[JOSEY WALES]

Agree with this , From an outsiders point of view I see Australian boxing needing to get more involved in the commonwealth title more often as a step up from National level even then though here there are another two steps up to be made to World class level ( next British then European ) you gain fuck all padding a record out in the Asian bowl then get slammed to fuck when "thought " ready for World class honours .

[Left hook]

Yeah mate i hear what you are saying but there has also been alot of world champ who have built up a early record fighting winnable fights But when they have stepped up from the softer opponents they have handled it . Joseph agbeko is one that springs to mind recently he fought pretty much no body but when his chance came he was good enough. I do agree with what you are saying though mate it does help to be tested on your way up which Fred really wasn't . Yes you are also spot on that the Japanese fighters are matched very though , but not all Asians most of the thai fighters have very padded records . Look at all the non title fights wongjongkam had they are against novices and his record Is like 80 something and 3 or 4 . I believe Fred is a very good little boxer but world ckass no and never will be . There is probably at least 15 of 20 japs alone that would beat him .

[aussie opinion]

seen him get easily out worked and dropped twice at the abl titles bout 5/6yrs ago by a amatauer that had 15 fights to freds his 80-or 100, and before the bout people where raving how he was the 1 to watch out for, but he got out muscled and out worked,

[Left hook]

Fred did not have no where near 100 am fights . I would say 40 to 50 tops

[Kegsy]

Originally Posted by JOSEY WALES

Agree with this , From an outsiders point of view I see Australian boxing needing to get more involved in the commonwealth title more often as a step up from National level even then though here there are another two steps up to be made to World class level ( next British then European ) you gain fuck all padding a record out in the Asian bowl then get slammed to fuck when "thought " ready for World class honours .

[lvthefightgame]

well said da voice could be managed a bit better hope fred does better the last time out in japan. cheers guys

[Da Voice]

Originally Posted by lvthefightgame

well said da voice could be managed a bit better hope fred does better the last time out in japan. cheers guys

Just noticed Arthur Villanueva replaced Fred 6 days ago.