Wladimir Klitschko vs. Rocky Marciano

[Bummy Davis]

We can speculate but I always like to see how a fighter finishes his career before I judge, some get better with age and experience and others provide us with insight to weaknesses they always had and are magnified or exposed with age. As far as matching era's its a hard thing because we either move one man backwards or the other forward but we do not have time machines that can adjust for head to heads. As for me i judge a fighter by the era and a great fighter in his era is a great fighter. As for the new batch of heavyweights more of them are 6"7, 6'9, 6'8 and north of 240lba, I dont know if makes their chins stronger of makes them better but it may be time to call them Super Heavyweights and create a heavyweight division with a 220-230 Maximum and then let the champs fight if it has public interest.

Even an old conservative boxing man like myself see the need for change because some of the big men are getting better and there is an over 6'3 235lb weight class

Let the chips fall where they may

[dinovelvet]

Seamus you keep coming back here without fail talking shit , so the retard is clearly you.

You should of thought that remark over before you posted it.

One huge factor i forgot to mention is - if he couldn't knok out David Haye who fights the same height, how the fuck does he knock out the Rock.

[Nightcrawler]

Originally Posted by dinovelvet

Seamus you keep coming back here without fail talking shit , so the retard is clearly you.

You should of thought that remark over before you posted it.

One huge factor i forgot to mention is - if he couldn't knok out David Haye who fights the same height, how the fuck does he knock out the Rock.

i haven't read the whole thread. how do you imagine rock winning? battle plan, etc. this is genuine curiousity

[Seamus]

Originally Posted by dinovelvet

Seamus you keep coming back here without fail talking shit , so the retard is clearly you.

You should of thought that remark over before you posted it.

One huge factor i forgot to mention is - if he couldn't knok out David Haye who fights the same height, how the fuck does he knock out the Rock.

Just here to egg on your moronic shit show, my friend.

It provides me cheap entertainment.

And, yes, David Haye fights at the same height (and more importantly the same distance) as Marciano. Can I have more of your profoundly incorrect observations?

[dinovelvet]

Go back and read. Is that too difficult?

The pro Wlad debate is made up of mostly insults ,tantrums and accusations with very little boxing talk.

[Nightcrawler]

Originally Posted by dinovelvet

Go back and read. Is that too difficult?

The pro Wlad debate is made up of mostly insults ,tantrums and accusations with very little boxing talk.

well i've read the last view and plenty of insults and bullshit are coming from you. when i get a chance i'll go read but i've read to see anything approaching a reasonable argument for marciano

[dinovelvet]

Marciano advantages:

Better chin. Better stamina. Better body puncher. Harder puncher - its been proven. A recent Bleetcher report, Rock 4 , Foreman 1. No mention of Wlad. Look it up.

Wlad was gassed from fighting a non moving , bodysack last time out.

[dinovelvet]

Dont judge till you read the thread. There are plenty legitimate arguments in favour of Rock .

And,Seamus just outed yourself as a troll. Well done.

[Nightcrawler]

Originally Posted by dinovelvet

Marciano advantages:

Better chin. Better stamina. Better body puncher. Harder puncher - its been proven. A recent Bleetcher report, Rock 4 , Foreman 1. No mention of Wlad. Look it up.

Wlad was gassed from fighting a non moving , bodysack last time out.

agree on the first 3, i can go with that. harder puncher i do not.

i read the bleecher report, it's not proven but simply another subjective list by a writer. not the worst list i've ever read but it's not proof of anything.

i certainly don't feel that marciano is a harder puncher but his chin, stamina and body attack are stellar. in wlad's corner, there's ring generalship, the jab, and footwork.

marciano does have his advantages, just not enough to compensate for his major disadvantages

[orriray59]

Reads report based on public opinion.

Lauds said report as proof.

Mind = Fucked.

[HOUDINI]

The fight would of course be sanctioned today. Undefeated all time great Rocky Marciano ...one of boxings all time ko punchers against the not so undefeated Wlad who was koed three times by nobodies and fights like a walking statue. (typical European stand straight up boring style). So it could be billed as "the Rock vs the Statue" It would be the highest grossing bout in boxing history drawing a world wide audience. Unfortunately all you European folks will be saddened when your man after falling in many sections starts crying mid ring as his corner rushes into the ring to stop the fight.

[dinovelvet]

Nightcrawler, you know well that report isn't the only source in the world. Its a known fact Rock was one of the hardest hitters in HW history. Every professional boxing writer agrees on that.

When Wallcot went down, he barely made a twitch for 5 full minutes.

He punched Vingo so hard he went into a coma and never fought again.

Lastraza's both arms were broken from defending himself and get to get surgery to remove blood clots that turned to into big lumps of jelly.

Wlad is a heavy puncher, but so are most HW's. Rahman used knock fighters down like bowling pins. Does that mean hes a harder hitter than rock?

Who has Wlad put away as that matches the severity of some of Rocks victims? He couldn't knock out Haye.

Imagine what would happen to Wlads brittle jaw when Rock lands clean.

[Nightcrawler]

Originally Posted by dinovelvet

Nightcrawler, you know well that report isn't the only source in the world. Its a known fact Rock was one of the hardest hitters in HW history. Every professional boxing writer agrees on that.

When Wallcot went down, he barely made a twitch for 5 full minutes.

He punched Vingo so hard he went into a coma and never fought again.

Lastraza's both arms were broken from defending himself and get to get surgery to remove blood clots that turned to into big lumps of jelly.

Wlad is a heavy puncher, but so are most HW's. Rahman used knock fighters down like bowling pins. Does that mean hes a harder hitter than rock?

Who has Wlad put away as that matches the severity of some of Rocks victims? He couldn't knock out Haye.

Imagine what would happen to Wlads brittle jaw when Rock lands clean.

marciano was a massive hitter, massive for his size. wlad in my opinion is just as destructive when he lands. he just prefers to wears fighters down, grind them down before finishing them. he has the power just a different style and means of delivering it

as for if rocky him him clean, sure he could knockout wlad. i don't see him landing cleanly often enough to knock him out. sure, one is all it takes but usually it takes a lot more than one. even in this matchup

[dyna]

Originally Posted by Bummy Davis

We can speculate but I always like to see how a fighter finishes his career before I judge, some get better with age and experience and others provide us with insight to weaknesses they always had and are magnified or exposed with age. As far as matching era's its a hard thing because we either move one man backwards or the other forward but we do not have time machines that can adjust for head to heads. As for me i judge a fighter by the era and a great fighter in his era is a great fighter. As for the new batch of heavyweights more of them are 6"7, 6'9, 6'8 and north of 240lba, I dont know if makes their chins stronger of makes them better but it may be time to call them Super Heavyweights and create a heavyweight division with a 220-230 Maximum and then let the champs fight if it has public interest.

Even an old conservative boxing man like myself see the need for change because some of the big men are getting better and there is an over 6'3 235lb weight class

Let the chips fall where they may

When you look at the statistics.
When weight of opponent goes up, KO ratio goes down.

When Ali faced men who weighted 175-184 his KO ratio was an extreme 100%....
185-199 it was a very good 75%.

But when the opponent weighted 215lbs+ it was just 33%.

Joe frazier his KO ratio on sub 200 lbs guys was an enormous 100%.
On 215lbs+ guys just 45%

Earnie Shavers had a 93% KO ratio on guys who weighted in at 185-199 lbs.
But just 47% against guys who weighted in at 215+lbs.

[dyna]

Originally Posted by Nightcrawler

agree on the first 3, i can go with that. harder puncher i do not.

i read the bleecher report, it's not proven but simply another subjective list by a writer. not the worst list i've ever read but it's not proof of anything.

i certainly don't feel that marciano is a harder puncher but his chin, stamina and body attack are stellar. in wlad's corner, there's ring generalship, the jab, and footwork.

marciano does have his advantages, just not enough to compensate for his major disadvantages

Marciano only has a stamina advantage.

He got dropped by a lightheavy, a good lightheavy but a blown up lightheavy nonetheless.

Tell me the last time Wlad was on the ground after a lightheavy hit him.