Boxing Scoring FAQ and Discussion

[Juiceboxbiotch]

Originally Posted by Drew101

Good stuff, Juice!

Just going to throw this out as an example of how one could/should score a round...

In the final round of the Peter Quillen-Hassan N'dam N'jkam tilt, HNN was in clear control throughout the first 2 minutes and thirty seconds of the round, and outlanded Kid Chocolate by a fair margin. But in pressing the issue, he left himself open for a counter that dropped him with less than 30 seconds remaining, and was subsequently dropped against just before the final bell.

How would you score the round?Would you place greater emphasis on the two kd's and call it 10-7, or call it a 10-8 round because Hassan did much better worth throughout ninety percent of the round...?

(I went with the latter option, but I wanted to hear you take and rationale for the score)

Thanks!
Its a good question. Clean punching isn't EVERYTHING. N'Dam had clean punching going for him in that round but Quillin had ring generalship, some clean punching of his own and 2 knockdowns. Quillin might have been outlanded in the round but was he dominated? I'm going 10-7.

Originally Posted by asero

what if boxer A is landing cleaning but there is no damage done?
what if boxer B is punching like a gassed fighter and throwing inaccurate punches but there is little damage done?

Who wins the round?

I don't think there is enough info here.. who is being more aggressive? Who's style is more effective in the round? Sounds like a round for Fighter A just based on what you said but there are a bunch of other things going on that need to be taken into consideration.

[lufcrazy]

I scored it 10-8 to holy. Mm was on top aside from the knockdown but to negate a knockdown a real beating has to be issued imo.

Consequently I feel holy won the fight by 1 point.

[Kurushi]

This is a really useful resource. Thank you.

[Windigo]

Originally Posted by Juiceboxbiotch

As an astute boxing fan, you can observe this happening in a fight yourself, can't you? If you can, I would think that a good judge would be able to tell when this happens, judge whether or not the adaptation is successful and score accordingly. I don't see a contradiction here, good judges know what they are looking at.

I've seen plenty of fights were a fighter adapts is clearly winning, landing more being hit less, but that fact that 'he isn't his normal self' is held against him by both judges and fans.

[Juiceboxbiotch]

Originally Posted by Windigo

I've seen plenty of fights were a fighter adapts is clearly winning, landing more being hit less, but that fact that 'he isn't his normal self' is held against him by both judges and fans.

To say you've seen plenty of fights where judges have held that against a fighter is to say you've heard plenty of interviews with judges after these fights defending their scorecards. I sure haven't.

I think we can agree that holding the past against a fighter while judging a fight is not the right way to go. The problem is that I've only heard of one instance where a judge mentioned this and that was the Pacquiao - Bradley fight (can't remember exactly which judge it was). And to be honest, I think criticizing a judge in this way is to take his comments out of context. In my opinion, it didn't mean he was holding Pacquiao accountable for "not being his normal self." It sounded like more of an observation than anything else, he did comment on what Pacquiao did wrong to lose the fight in his eyes before making the "normal self" comment. All that being said, I didn't agree with the judges scorecards at all for that fight.

I don't want to turn this discussion into an outrage thread about Pacquiao vs. Bradley though. I think most fans and judges will agree with you on this.

[The...Spectator]

Originally Posted by McGrain

Nevertheless, aggression tilts extremely close rounds time and time again.

yes most judges give the round to the more aggressive fighter,for his the one making the fight happen,most fight fans also decide on the Winner by the more aggressor. but their are so many skilled counter punchers around the world,that do make the judging of fights very difficult hence the controversy in some decisions

[Redwood]

The best example I can think of for defense being overlooked in the official scoring is the Abril vs Rios fight, Abril DOMINATED with his defense and ring generalship, and I think he even outlanded Rios, yet he STILL lost the decision. Too many judges seem to base their scoring on clean punches landed ONLY, fighters with elite boxing skills have NOT gotten their just rewards in the past year or so (JMM vs Pac 3, Campillo, Abril).

[IntentionalButt]

Originally Posted by McGrain

Nevertheless, aggression tilts extremely close rounds time and time again.

A pet peeve of mine.

[Leonit]

Originally Posted by Drew101

Good stuff, Juice!

Just going to throw this out as an example of how one could/should score a round...

In the final round of the Peter Quillen-Hassan N'dam N'jkam tilt, HNN was in clear control throughout the first 2 minutes and thirty seconds of the round, and outlanded Kid Chocolate by a fair margin. But in pressing the issue, he left himself open for a counter that dropped him with less than 30 seconds remaining, and was subsequently dropped against just before the final bell.

How would you score the round?Would you place greater emphasis on the two kd's and call it 10-7, or call it a 10-8 round because Hassan did much better worth throughout ninety percent of the round...?

(I went with the latter option, but I wanted to hear you take and rationale for the score)

I think that you have to asses the damage done too. If a fighter was dropped two times he ought to take more damage than the other fighter. I would score the round 10-7.

[Leonit]

Originally Posted by Redwood

The best example I can think of for defense being overlooked in the official scoring is the Abril vs Rios fight, Abril DOMINATED with his defense and ring generalship, and I think he even outlanded Rios, yet he STILL lost the decision. Too many judges seem to base their scoring on clean punches landed ONLY, fighters with elite boxing skills have NOT gotten their just rewards in the past year or so (JMM vs Pac 3, Campillo, Abril).

That was an example of RD-robbery decision. Don't lose your time to go into the details

[BlueBottle]

Alright, lets cut to the chase on professional judging. To me the most controversial point in judging is affective aggressiveness. This to me is too subjective and unfairly evaluated. So, why don't they just say aggressiveness is rewarded. This I feel will make boxing matches better. Amateurs are changing their scoring rules to better the sport, so can the professionals. What will it take?

[Juiceboxbiotch]

Originally Posted by BlueBottle

Alright, lets cut to the chase on professional judging. To me the most controversial point in judging is affective aggressiveness. This to me is too subjective and unfairly evaluated. So, why don't they just say aggressiveness is rewarded. This I feel will make boxing matches better. Amateurs are changing their scoring rules to better the sport, so can the professionals. What will it take?

It will take everyone agreeing on a set of rules, which in pro boxing, is a once in a lifetime achievement (Unified Rules of the Associated Boxing Commissions).

On the point of effective aggressiveness, you'll have lots of people agreeing with you including myself.

[des3995]

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[des3995]

Ok. I got one for ye.

A discussion I had a long time ago.

Glass Joe is dominating a round. I mean, beats Don Flamenco about the head and body with untethered ferocity. His combos are relentless and devastating, his timing, flawless. Although no KD's are recorded, Flamenco is unsteady, ready to go. The ref is hawking, ready to stop it. A no doubter 10-8 round due to the sustained, one sided beating.

Until.....


At 2:56 of the round, Glass Joe gets caught with a defensively thrown left hook as he loads up for a right hook of his own. It lands, not really a big shot, but it lands solidly enough in that it throws him off balance; his glove touches the canvas. The bell rings.

How do you score it?

[Juiceboxbiotch]

Originally Posted by des3995

Ok. I got one for ye.

A discussion I had a long time ago.

Glass Joe is dominating a round. I mean, beats Don Flamenco about the head and body with untethered ferocity. His combos are relentless and devastating, his timing, flawless. Although no KD's are recorded, Flamenco is unsteady, ready to go. The ref is hawking, ready to stop it. A no doubter 10-8 round due to the sustained, one sided beating.

Until.....


At 2:56 of the round, Glass Joe gets caught with a defensively thrown left hook as he loads up for a right hook of his own. It lands, not really a big shot, but it lands solidly enough in that it throws him off balance; his glove touches the canvas. The bell rings.

How do you score it?

10-9 Don Flamenco. The (technical) knockdown wins Flamenco the round, but because he was dominated for the rest of the round, he doesn't get the extra point. As strange as it may sound, its the correct way to score such a round.