Wladimir Klitschko vs. Rocky Marciano

[PhillyPhan69]

Originally Posted by Seamus

bumpity bump

Darn You! This thread needs to die! There have only been a handful of informative or insightful post through this thread.....Most are just name calling of fan boys of an individual or era as superior to all else...

In reality I think an argument could be made either way, but who wants to wade through this whole thread to uncover those moments.

[dinovelvet]

Originally Posted by Seamus

Prime Louis was quite a bit faster, especially in his combo speed. He would paw, paw, paw, then throw a blurring combo, kinda like a baseball pitcher setting up a batter.

With Wlad, it's a question of him enforcing his terms on the fight. If he is able to do that, it's hard for anyone to beat him. The question is who has the correct physical and mental assets to take him out of his comfort zone.

Also, the focus here seems to be entirely on how someone gets to Wlad. I think equal thought should be placed on how Wlad would certainly get to this proposed someone. By all informed observations, he hits like a fucking truck. That can defuse an attack awful quickly.

Show me a tape of a fighter who had the ability, speed and tenacity to move inside on Wlad using angles and lateral movement?

Wlad has no defence in close. None. It would be seriously easy target practice for Louis once he gets within range.
But the main question is- who in your mind beats Wlad Klitschko?

[Seamus]

Originally Posted by PhillyPhan69

Darn You! This thread needs to die! There have only been a handful of informative or insightful post through this thread.....Most are just name calling of fan boys of an individual or era as superior to all else...

In reality I think an argument could be made either way, but who wants to wade through this whole thread to uncover those moments.

bump.

[Seamus]

Originally Posted by dinovelvet

Show me a tape of a fighter who had the ability, speed and tenacity to move inside on Wlad using angles and lateral movement?

Wlad has no defence in close. None. It would be seriously easy target practice for Louis once he gets within range.
But the main question is- who in your mind beats Wlad Klitschko?

I didn't pick Waldo to win. I said he "could" win but it would be a tight rope walk.

I would bet on Louis but not a ton of money.

[PhillyPhan69]

Originally Posted by Seamus

bump.

LOL! Bastard!

[artful]

Wlad would of been Dq'ed for holding.

[rusak]

Originally Posted by orriray59

Louis stands a much, much better chance of victory than the Rock, for sure.

Why do you think so? Vlad has better footwork than Louis, covers ground quickly, has better power and range. The only advantage Louis has is hand speed, but he wouldn't be able to take advantage of it if he couldn't get in range. Louis' defense is also way too porous and he doesn't have the chin to get away with it against a puncher like Vlad.

[Bummy Davis]

Originally Posted by rusak

Why do you think so? Vlad has better footwork than Louis, covers ground quickly, has better power and range. The only advantage Louis has is hand speed, but he wouldn't be able to take advantage of it if he couldn't get in range. Louis' defense is also way too porous and he doesn't have the chin to get away with it against a puncher like Vlad.

but David Haye does but Thompson KO'd him and Vlad did not...Louis hit harder than any of the men that Ko'd Vlad and quickness is not the only quality Joe had, he was the hardest punching combo puncher ever with killer instinct....I am not unrealistic I see Vlads strengths but lets be real...the same guys who were tearing Vlad down and (I can pull out the posts) are now on the front-running bandwagon...I always thought a lot of Vlad but he also has his weaknesses and to overcome Louis, Lewis, Tyson is not impossible but nothing is easy and Louis would be the hardest to overcome, he has a proven record against big men, none with the ability of Vlad but I don't know anyone that can punch as hard and fast as the Brown Bomber and none, not Haye,Brewster, Sanders, Purity could do anything as good as him at any level.

[HOUDINI]

Joe Louis had one of the greatest classic defenses of any hwt champion. He could do it all...block, parry, bob and weave, slip and counter to vital areas of his opponents body. He could move forward pressing for openings or box letting his opponent come to him and then counterpunch. Many, including most on these boards, do not understand fully the abilities of Louis. Very little this fighter could not do and do very well.

[rusak]

Originally Posted by Bummy Davis

but David Haye does but Thompson KO'd him and Vlad did not...Louis hit harder than any of the men that Ko'd Vlad and quickness is not the only quality Joe had, he was the hardest punching combo puncher ever with killer instinct....I am not unrealistic I see Vlads strengths but lets be real...the same guys who were tearing Vlad down and (I can pull out the posts) are now on the front-running bandwagon...I always thought a lot of Vlad but he also has his weaknesses and to overcome Louis, Lewis, Tyson is not impossible but nothing is easy and Louis would be the hardest to overcome, he has a proven record against big men, none with the ability of Vlad but I don't know anyone that can punch as hard and fast as the Brown Bomber and none, not Haye,Brewster, Sanders, Purity could do anything as good as him at any level.

What does Haye even have to do with this? Haye has a completely different style than Louis, so the comparison is moot. Haye is an outside fighter, uses his legs for defense, has good upper body movement. Louis is a plodder with fast hands, who throws short, hard punches. I don't see Louis closing the gap without getting his head knocked off. Also, Louis' power is somewhat overrated because of the small gloves he fought in. As for "killer instinct," I don't put much stock in this. Louis can come into the ring with all the "killer instinct" in the world and one right hand or left hook from Vlad will change his life.

[Brockton Rock]

Marciano destroyed Louis.....he knocked him out of the ring for god sake and that coward Wlad would get the same treatment. Wlad is pathetic

[Decker]

Originally Posted by Brockton Rock

Marciano destroyed Louis.....he knocked him out of the ring for god sake and that coward Wlad would get the same treatment. Wlad is pathetic

Newbie keyboard "warrior" calls HW champ a coward
Have you ever been in a fight - in a pc game doesn't count - in your entire life? Like w/the fat kid or that mean girl in the n'hood?

Little Rocky and chinny Louis get massacred by Wlad and most any top modern HW. Go back to the 30s, 40s, and 50s

David mf'ing Haye - on a good day - would beat Marciano & Louis !

[orriray59]

Originally Posted by rusak

Why do you think so? Vlad has better footwork than Louis, covers ground quickly, has better power and range. The only advantage Louis has is hand speed, but he wouldn't be able to take advantage of it if he couldn't get in range. Louis' defense is also way too porous and he doesn't have the chin to get away with it against a puncher like Vlad.

I didn't say he'd fucking win, did I?

[MadcapMaxie]

Originally Posted by Decker

Newbie keyboard "warrior" calls HW champ a coward
Have you ever been in a fight - in a pc game doesn't count - in your entire life? Like w/the fat kid or that mean girl in the n'hood?

Little Rocky and chinny Louis get massacred by Wlad and most any top modern HW. Go back to the 30s, 40s, and 50s

David mf'ing Haye - on a good day - would beat Marciano & Louis !

Fuck me...just delete this thread.

[Colonel Sanders]

I don't see the Rock being able to beat Wlad.

How can this thread reach 500 + posts is just .