The Transnational Boxing Rankings:Merlito Sabillo cracks the minimumeweight top 10

[Drew101]

Originally Posted by lufcrazy

Looking at boxrec igarashis claim originates with Miguel canto. Whilst I don't for one second doubt he was the number 1 flyweight, did he ever beat the number 2 whilst there?

Hopefully stoney can clarify.

Canto defeated Shogi Oguma in January 1975 when they were rated one and two respectively in their division. That established a new champion.

[lufcrazy]

Originally Posted by Drew101

Canto defeated Shogi Oguma in January 1975 when they were rated one and two respectively in their division. That established a new champion.

cheers my good man.. I've never been too clued up on the fusions below feather

[Joe.Boxer]

Will the TBR be announcing a list of 2012 boxing awards?

[Stonehands89]

Originally Posted by Drew101

Canto defeated Shogi Oguma in January 1975 when they were rated one and two respectively in their division. That established a new champion.

Right -and Canto began a succession that marched right on down to the current world champion, Toshiyuki Igarashi.

Twenty-four in all -including Manny Pacquiao who held it for less than a year and was stopped in 3 by Medgoen Singsurat.

[Stonehands89]

Originally Posted by Joe.Boxer

Will the TBR be announcing a list of 2012 boxing awards?

No sir. We're focussed like lasers on divisional rankings. There isn't room for much else.

[lufcrazy]

Originally Posted by Stonehands89

Right -and Canto began a succession that marched right on down to the current world champion, Toshiyuki Igarashi.

Twenty-four in all -including Manny Pacquiao who held it for less than a year and was stopped in 3 by Medgoen Singsurat.

Fair enough.

I can't say I agree with your championship policy but atleast you're consistent with it.

Well I think anyways, there's the ambiguos matter of zsolt erdei to throw a spanner in the works

[Stonehands89]

Originally Posted by lufcrazy

Fair enough.

I can't say I agree with your championship policy but atleast you're consistent with it.

Well I think anyways, there's the ambiguos matter of zsolt erdei to throw a spanner in the works

It's not ambiguous if you're consistent.

Erdei defeated Julio Gonzalez in '04 for the throne. In November '09 he publically announced that he was vacating to campaign at CW and he took a WBS Cruiserweight title.

A year later he was back at LHW fighting an 8-rounder, but that means nothing.

[lufcrazy]

Originally Posted by Stonehands89

It's not ambiguous if you're consistent.

Erdei defeated Julio Gonzalez in '04 for the throne. In November '09 he publically announced that he was vacating to campaign at CW and he took a WBS Cruiserweight title.

A year later he was back at LHW fighting an 8-rounder, but that means nothing.

I like the acceptance of a guy relinquishing his title. Kudos.

Seems an airtight system. I dont agree with it but I do like it so well played.

As a side issue did you ever nail down the legitimacy of Holmes title reign?

[purephase]

Originally Posted by Stonehands89

It's not ambiguous if you're consistent.

Erdei defeated Julio Gonzalez in '04 for the throne. In November '09 he publically announced that he was vacating to campaign at CW and he took a WBS Cruiserweight title.

A year later he was back at LHW fighting an 8-rounder, but that means nothing.

Did Erdei publicly announce this move? I recall him being legitimately surprised he had won a belt in a new division after the Fragomeni fight, further supported by his low weight for the fight. I understand why he'd no longer be recognized, but I wouldn't necessarily have any objections to people still recognizing him at light heavy either.

[Stonehands89]

Originally Posted by purephase

Did Erdei publicly announce this move? I recall him being legitimately surprised he had won a belt in a new division after the Fragomeni fight, further supported by his low weight for the fight. I understand why he'd no longer be recognized, but I wouldn't necessarily have any objections to people still recognizing him at light heavy either.

Erdei is on record saying this: "I wish Jürgen [Braehmer] a lot of fun and a lot of luck with the belt. He shouldn’t merely just lose it. Now I’m going to get the WBC belt of Mr. Fragomeni and become the first Hungarian boxer to win world titles in in two weight classes."

[Stonehands89]

Originally Posted by lufcrazy

I like the acceptance of a guy relinquishing his title. Kudos.

Seems an airtight system. I dont agree with it but I do like it so well played.

As a side issue did you ever nail down the legitimacy of Holmes title reign?

I sure did.

[lufcrazy]

Originally Posted by Stonehands89

I sure did.

Care to share?

[Stonehands89]

Holmes never faced the next best when the throne was empty. He never faced the Ring-ranked #1 contender during his reign. He's another example of the premeire heavyweight of his time who failed to do what had to be done to take the throne. And though I haven't thoroughly researched the whys and the wherefores, something tells me that Don King is to blame. And so isn't Holmes for allowing that cad to live in his ear.

This, mind you, is according to my own historical research. It is not the position of the Transnational Boxing Rankings Board, which looks ahead.

[lufcrazy]

Originally Posted by Stonehands89

Holmes never faced the next best when the throne was empty. He never faced the Ring-ranked #1 contender during his reign. He's another example of the premeire heavyweight of his time who failed to do what had to be done to take the throne. And though I haven't thoroughly researched the whys and the wherefores, something tells me that Don King is to blame. And so isn't Holmes for allowing that cad to live in his ear.

This, mind you, is according to my own historical research. It is not the position of the Transnational Boxing Rankings Board, which looks ahead.

I figured you might say that.

Yeah I know the board is more about ranking than your work I was just curious as always

[Stonehands89]

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