Is Ricky burns terrified of Adrian broner?

[Bill C84]

Ricky has chosen the path of the fish.

Bad move.

[dftaylor]

Originally Posted by macho_grande

So what you are saying is Brook ducked Bradley, but Burns didn't duck Broner? How does that work?

I'm trying to figure out why you're struggling to accept this logic. I'm not saying Brook definitely DID duck Bradley, I'm just saying you can't give Brook a pass because of the financial terms and not Burns.

What else has Burns got lined up? I'll ask you again, WHAT IS RICKY'S PATH???

I answered, if you took the time to read what I said properly. I'm not Ricky. I don't know. But he has options simply by having a belt. Just because you don't see the options doesn't mean they aren't there.

Regarding Brook is was clear cut...... The Bradley fight was for "not great money" (according to Hearn) & loaded with options. We all knew that prior to TopRanks offer, Brook was heading for an IBF mandatory spot, and Marchroom followed that through.

And, from what Schaefer has said, they wouldn't give Ricky what he asked for. That might have also included options. You don't know anything about what Frank and Richard discussed. But you clearly think Burns should have just accepted it, whatever it was. You're all over the place with your rationale. Unlike Rees or Brook, Burns is a champion and an established ticket-seller. He has as much right to get paid as the unproven Broner.

Why do I also suspect that Rees is getting a terrible payday, but Hearn hasn't seen fit to reject that on those terms.

Why has Burns chosen to not fight Broner? Because he has unfinished by business with Liam Walsh

Don't put words in my mouth and, while you're at it, combine the few things we do know. Burns didn't want the fight so soon, when he'd been preparing for a completely different fight. He wanted more than he was being offered financially. And he clearly feels the fight will still be there in May.

That's not really ducking, especially when - as far as we know - the deal wasn't great.

[macho_grande]

I can give Brook a pass because he is now fighting Alexander for the title.

The thing is, how many more options are there for Burns to fight on HBO, on a big card, in front of a big audience in America? That's what I'm getting at here.

As I said on another thread (we seem to be debating this over numerous threads) I'll reserve judgement on Burns depending on who his next couple of opponents are.

I guess you're right, just because I can't see the options it doesn't mean their are none.

[tmsbry]

Originally Posted by dftaylor

Gamboa? Seriously? GAMBOA? Yeah, that's a MUCH better fight. Another guy who sells no tickets and has pretty much arrived at the exact level I always knew he would - nothing special.

And he's tiny too. If Burns is available to fight and Broner chooses Gamboa, it will be pretty clear he never really wanted the fight. Hopefully you'll all apply the same criticism to him at that stage.

But you won't. Cause you're fucking twats.

Burns wants a million dollars to be on an undercard fight with Broner, Gamboa would take half that & the fight would create alot more buzz in America

I don't like it but Ricky has missed the boat cos I think he'd beat Broner

[Black_Rainbows]

Originally Posted by dftaylor

I want to just take a moment to point out something Bunce said a few years ago regarding Pavlik-Abraham. That fight was there, fans wanted it, and yet it never happened.

Abraham was called a ducker for not travelling for it, but what it came down to was cash common sense.

From what I remember, Abraham was willing to travel. In fact, he went and did the Miranda rematch in America (I think) looking for the Pavlik fight. But then Hopkins got his hands on Pavlik, and I don't think Pavlik's team wanted it.

[Jack]

There's a difference between 'waiting for the right time' and straight up 'avoiding'. Brook was right not to fight Bradley because it wasn't the right time financially and he'd have been beaten, but Burns is a world champion at his peak. He will never be in a position to demand more money than he does now, nor will he improve as a fighter. This is it for him.

Two entirely different cases.

[dftaylor]

Originally Posted by Jack

There's a difference between 'waiting for the right time' and straight up 'avoiding'. Brook was right not to fight Bradley because it wasn't the right time financially and he'd have been beaten, but Burns is a world champion at his peak. He will never be in a position to demand more money than he does now, nor will he improve as a fighter. This is it for him.

Two entirely different cases.

Holy shit, you're right. A forum poster has deigned that Ricky should take the fight, despite not knowing what was offered, what the terms were or... holy shit... anything about the fight at all!

[R.I.P Sky]

Broner is getting very good viewing figures on HBO. His fight with Escobedo, for example, had more viewers than the Andre Ward - Chad Dawson fight. Take into account that Ward/Dawson was also backed by a 24/7 type show to create even more hype. HBO doesn't care about ticket sellers. Broner is watched by a million viewers on HBO and he is close to signing a massive contract with them. He's obviously not on the Mayweather/Pacquiao level but he's a star and HBO are obviously going to try and push him into becoming a PPV star in the coming years. He will be on Floyd's undercard in May.

[macho_grande]

"Speaking with the Heraldscotland.com, Morrison said “We are not taking the fight. Ricky doesn’t have the necessary strong mindset at the moment to undertake such a big fight.”

[R.I.P Sky]

They were asking for ridiculous money to face Broner. £400,000 after tax for Ricky Burns? Come on.

[R.I.P Sky]

Originally Posted by macho_grande

"Speaking with the Heraldscotland.com, Morrison said “We are not taking the fight. Ricky doesn’t have the necessary strong mindset at the moment to undertake such a big fight.”

[tmsbry]

Originally Posted by macho_grande

"Speaking with the Heraldscotland.com, Morrison said “We are not taking the fight. Ricky doesn’t have the necessary strong mindset at the moment to undertake such a big fight.”

[fatcity]

Burns and Frank in no hurry to face Broner.They both know it's over and it will be the end of their paydays.

[R.I.P Sky]

Originally Posted by Peter__1987

I'm sure this has already been told to you, but in all likelihood it's FW who's ducking this fight not Burns.

It's Alex Morrison.

Morrison announced: "We are not taking the fight. Ricky doesn't have the necessary strong mindset at the moment to undertake such a big fight."

Morrison said: "We are definitely not going to America. I was the one who talked Ricky out of it."

[R.I.P Sky]

Originally Posted by icemax

Burns doesn't get paid unless he fights....I dont understand your position. You want to hurt Burns by stinging Frank financially

Did Broner make an offer?, and if so how much?

Morrison wants £400,000 after tax to face Broner. He knows they will never get that.