Pacquiao > Chavez

[Illstate]

Originally Posted by Chempasillo

skill wise barrera had better skills than pacquiao, but did he win?

pacquiao is a monster when it comes down to athletictism, pure speed and power and well skill, in the oscar fight, we saw he could be move his body as well his had and perfectly go in and go out and just be as good ofeensivly as defensivly.

We saw that Oscar could weigh 145 lbs rehydrated

[javier_83]

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[Scar]

Originally Posted by Doc

H2h , legacy, skill wise, its not even close.

JCC!>............. .......SLEEPQUIAO

Unlike Chavez Sr., Pacquiao didn't need to fight over 80 cabbies and kindergarten dropouts nor did he need controversies every time he stepped up. First eight division world champion, lineal champion in four weight classes, P4P#1 for nearly 5 years straight, greatest fighter of this era and 3 times fighter of the year. Pacquiao makes Chavez Sr. look like a fraud in comparison.

Please note that this post isn't exactly directed at a retarded trolling cabbie like you, it's to other cabbies that would dare compare Sr. to Pacquiao in achievements.

[Reppin501]

Originally Posted by Scar

Unlike Chavez Sr., Pacquiao didn't need to fight over 80 cabbies and kindergarten dropouts nor did he need controversies every time he stepped up. First eight division world champion, lineal champion in four weight classes, P4P#1 for nearly 5 years straight, greatest fighter of this era and 3 times fighter of the year. Pacquiao makes Chavez Sr. look like a fraud in comparison.

Please note that this post isn't exactly directed at a retarded trolling cabbie like you, it's to other cabbies that would dare compare Sr. to Pacquiao in achievements.

Manny is a gimp, have they got him to respond yet?

[bjl12]

Originally Posted by MAG1965

Morales,Barrera,Marquez,Delahoya,Mosley.

He never outright beat JMM as some could argue JMM won every fight. I thought he won 3 and arguably drawed the last. But the KTFO sealed the deal. JMM owns Sleepquiao.

DLH lost decisively to Floyd then had his orbital bone broken by Steve Forbes (a feather fisted fighter). Then DLH weighed in at 145 (less than his "much smaller" opponent). The man would've lost to Malignaggi on that night.

Mosley was dominated by Floyd and then had a draw versus a very average Mora at 154. Mosley was clearly through.

Oh and Sleepquiao still won't take a drug test.

[bjl12]

Originally Posted by Scar

Unlike Chavez Sr., Pacquiao didn't need to fight over 80 cabbies and kindergarten dropouts nor did he need controversies every time he stepped up.

I'm afraid of needles. Giving blood weakens me. I need a cutoff point. "I use steroids".

Originally Posted by Scar

First eight division world champion, lineal champion in four weight classes, P4P#1 for nearly 5 years straight, greatest fighter of this era and 3 times fighter of the year. Pacquiao makes Chavez Sr. look like a fraud in comparison.

Pac is a seven division champion. Fighting for a paper belt at 150 does not count at 154.

He was only PFP #1 for like 18 months, while Floyd was retired.

He is most definitively not the greatest fighter of our era. Top 5? Sure. Not even close to 1.

Your last comment indicates you're a filipino. Meaning your opinion is garbage

[bjl12]

Originally Posted by Chempasillo

manny steps better to the side after punching.

Yeah I guess he forgot to "step better to the side" here.

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Originally Posted by Chempasillo

manny counter punches better.

Can't tell if serious?

[blackbolt396]

Why dont we wake Pac up and ask him who is better?

[bandeedo]

Originally Posted by Scar

Unlike Chavez Sr., Pacquiao didn't need to fight over 80 cabbies and kindergarten dropouts nor did he need controversies every time he stepped up. First eight division world champion, lineal champion in four weight classes, P4P#1 for nearly 5 years straight, greatest fighter of this era and 3 times fighter of the year. Pacquiao makes Chavez Sr. look like a fraud in comparison.

Please note that this post isn't exactly directed at a retarded trolling cabbie like you, it's to other cabbies that would dare compare Sr. to Pacquiao in achievements.

youre a tiny little man.

[Slickstar]

Originally Posted by Chempasillo

he avoided them thats why he wanted to take less money and take olympic style drufg testing because he avoids black fighters...

http://www4.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/J...9ZX67CNFTl.jpg

and that does that look brown or black to you....

again avoiding black fighters...

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Clottey has mental issues

Shane was shot by then as seen in hisMora fight. manny only made the Shane fight once he had confirmation Shane was shot from his Mora performance. With that in mind Shane managed to make manny look awful.

Bradley gave manny one of his hardest fights

[RingKing]

You are saying this guy is greater than Julio Cesar Chavez?

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YDKSAB!!!!

[steviebruno]

Originally Posted by Chempasillo

manny goes in faster and goes out faster.

manny steps better to the side after punching.

manny counter punches better.

manny is better offensivly.

manny is overall just better. he is mre skilled, he is blesse with a more athletic body and if a prime manny wouldve got in a ring with a prime chavez, than chavez would have been put down, TKO or KO.

Is this shit for real?

[Kush]

Chavez by ko. Pac has a glass jaw

[smitty_son408]

Sticking with the H2H argument its my opinion that Chavez is all wrong for Manny. Its said that Chavez was a plodding swarmer but that absolutely not true, they're many cases where Chavez showed the versatility of being able to box off the back foot with a very good jab and firing his straight right hand on rhythm (see his fights with Lockridge and Rosario for proof). With that being said Chavez wouldn't necessarily have to get into a toe to toe war with Manny like many envision, he had the ability to pick him off from the outside and hit him with quick counters and then in an instant switch to his swarming style and climb the ladder while Manny was on the ropes. Manny almost always circles to his left and he alway's drops his left hand while doubling up on his slapping jab before jumping in with his straight left hand. This would leave him wide open for a counter right from Chavez who had the best straight right this side of Mayweather that I've seen in the last 30 years.

Manny's inability to fight nor defend himself on the inside would eventually be his undoing. I see Chavez picking him off with counter shots and maneauvering him to ropes and working Manny's exposed body and eventually wearing him down for stoppage. Chavez would obviously win every battle in the clinch and do serious work there, like Floyd he used his elbows to position to his opponents head in position for his counter shots a unforgotten old school trick. All in all I believe Chavez is too varied and just a styles mismatch and would stop Manny in 9 rds.

[dyna]

How would Manny beat Duran at 135?
Athletic freak vs a monster lightweight who belongs with the most skilled ever.

To say that Duran had a good defence for just a pressure fighter is wrong, his defence was flat out superb even if he was an "outfighter"
Look what Duran did to Leonard in the first fight at the beginning, his power is much better.
Both are iron chinned.
Duran is the best infighter ever (maybe nr 2), Manny isn't a good infighter.

Duran would win against Pacman from bantamweight to supermiddleweight and heavyweight if he wanted to.